[Bertrand]

Elvira Madigan.

As I thought it was beautiful, my currrent fear is that someone will give me bluntly the truth, stating that in their view it is utter crap, leaving me speechless.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Music is aural. film is visual. Music is colorless. Black audiences didn't know Bobby Caldwell was a white man (the record label hid his face in the ads and cover) and they felt his music deeply.

White kids didn't know Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers were black, until they saw him live on TV.


film is a visual medium, and if you look at movies by black filmmakers, they include white characters, latino characters, etc. because they try to reflect reality. Many white directors create whitewashed landscapes where PoC are either non-existent, or they are in positions of servitude. Lynch is one of these.

So lynch should have reflected reality?

Fucking hell

I'm done

[choc e-Claire]

Originally Posted by choc e-Claire

Considering staying over with a friend, with a weird double billing of movies to bookend it.

 

This was one of the best ideas I've ever had.

r.e. Lynch and people of colour: I enjoyed someone's joke that the reason there's no black people in Twin Peaks is that they've decided that they don't want to get involved in that crazy white man business.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by choc e-Claire

This was one of the best ideas I've ever had.

r.e. Lynch and people of colour: I enjoyed someone's joke that the reason there's no black people in Twin Peaks is that they've decided that they don't want to get involved in that crazy white man business.

Twin Peaks had as many black actors as Sonic Youth had in their music videos. Inb4 aCcEpTaBle MiNuTeS On ScReEn RaTiO QuOtA.

'Why don't I see any black people at my gigs?
Why don't black people like my music?
No blacks at my concerts, it really makes me sick
Do they hate me, or are they just a little bit too thick for my lyrics?
I love Kool Keith, you love Kool Keith
Everybody loves Kool Keith
"But the whole audience at the Baltimore gig was white kids," said Lawrence
Now, what do you think about that?
And how do you think Kool Keith feels?

[Chorus]
Please tell it like it is
Don't fuck around with words
When you fuck around with words
You make the situation worse
That's a bomb on the ground
Those are limbs flying through the air
These are bullets all around
That's cum in your hair

[Pre-Chorus]
Some loss of life must be expected
When you're going shooting
Some rapes, why not? Some amputations
And a bit of looting
In olden days, a glimpse of mangled face
Was something shocking
But now, when the news has war and love
Anything goes, keep going

[Chorus]
Please tell it like it is
Don't fuck around with words
When you fuck around with words
You make the situation worse
That's a bomb on the ground
Those are limbs flying through the air
These are bullets all around
That's blood in your hair
[Verse]
Why don't I see any black people at my gigs?
Why don't black people like my music?
No blacks at my concerts, it really makes me sick
Do they hate me, or are they just a little bit too thick for my lyrics?
I love Kool Keith, you love Kool Keith
Everybody loves Kool Keith, Kool Keith
But the whole audience at the Baltimore [?] was white kids
What do you think about that?
And how do you think Kool Keith feels?

[Outro]
I flick from film to film and then Columbo
I waited for my stone to lose its shape
I feel into a deep and chilling slumber
I woke up and continued with this tape
Time to myself, to get to know me better
To ask me how my week was and "How do I feel?"
Well, thank you, me, for asking, my week has been fantastic
I curled up on the sofa and lay down like a spastic'

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by choc e-Claire

This was one of the best ideas I've ever had.

videodrome x10000000000000000

i'd like shrek better if it wasn't so pushily meta. everything wink wink nod nod. it's like... who quotes or remembers stuff like the tiny toons? nobody, that's who. not sure if that's where that meta plague started in kids cartoons

the good shrek is the main shrek story of the ogre without all the hollywood bullshit "jokes"

lmao why am i so angry at this

but anyway lol hell yes videodrome

-

my take on lynch's absence of colored folks is that his childhood didn't feature many. he harks back to a kind of 50s americana and looks at the rot underneath. what does lynch know of the black experience or whatever? it would have been presumptuous of him to attempt it

whereas something like that cacky 90s show "friends" is otoh unforgivable in its bizarro world depiction of new york, given that it wasnt an auteur driven production. seinfeld also depicts a very insular world but it does not grate the same way for some reason

new york is actually more segregated than, say, washington dc

[_tunic_]

Originally Posted by _tunic_

a few weeks back I watched a great movie, now I don't remember the title anymore
It's Spanish language, might have been from Spain or from South-America
The main plot is about a police officer investigating a cold-case. main plot is good, albeit the ending was a bit disappointing
But it's the sub-plot that matters, about the relationship between the (male) police officer, and his (female) boss.


Think it was an Oscar winner or nominated for it.

I remembered which movie this was:

 

in Spanish: El secreto de sus ojos
it's from Argentina


there's of course a US made remake, but watch the original. Wonderful movie
(even though I usually don't like movies in a language I don't understand)

[!@#$%!]

no he visto esa película pero ya me diste curiosidad

[_tunic_]

yeah, it's worth a watch if you have the chance.
You may need to be in the right mood for it, you might find it a bit too melodramatic otherwise

[Toilet & Bowels]

Originally Posted by Diesel

So lynch should have reflected reality?

Fucking hell

I'm done

They could reflect the society in which they are made.

[choc e-Claire]

Originally Posted by !@#$%!

i'd like shrek better if it wasn't so pushily meta. everything wink wink nod nod. it's like... who quotes or remembers stuff like the tiny toons? nobody, that's who. not sure if that's where that meta plague started in kids cartoons

the good shrek is the main shrek story of the ogre without all the hollywood bullshit "jokes"

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I feel like your frustration is a bit misplaced here - if I had to guess you're complaining about things that exist because of Shrek, rather than the things in Shrek themselves. There isn't really that much that's directly ripping something else, they saved that for the sequel. Of course, I may just be an idiot and not know the deal.

[Rob Instigator]

Originally Posted by Diesel

So lynch should have reflected reality?

Fucking hell

I'm done

dreams are a part of any conscious beings reality (dogs dream. birds dream. sometimes fascists dream).

Dreams are reality. his dreams are supa white

[!@#$%!]

Originally Posted by choc e-Claire

Maybe it's a generational thing, but I feel like your frustration is a bit misplaced here - if I had to guess you're complaining about things that exist because of Shrek, rather than the things in Shrek themselves. There isn't really that much that's directly ripping something else, they saved that for the sequel. Of course, I may just be an idiot and not know the deal.

oh, so, in the 90s at some point there was a kind of reboot of looney toons, called tiny toons

the thing is tiny toons was terrible because it went "too meta", whatever happened in it was basically about something else that you had to know about, wink wink, nod nod, postmodernism for the hoi polloi. but that dates too quickly and is not funny and it's not memorable, it just disappears. unlike, say, the original bugs from the 40s or whatever which in spite of changing mores keeps yielding juice even as (postmodern) meme

shrek, the story of it, is cool. but in my recollection (it's been ages) it suffers from the same postmodern disease that spoils the details a bit, too much hollywood navel gazing and insider jokes. or maybe that was shrek 2 when it went to shit? i can't remember, i stopped watching, it became a tired refry in my head. which is a pity, because shrek and donkey were cool

this is not a rant against metafictions or postmodernism btw, only against the tired irrelevant versions of it

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator

Dreams are reality. his dreams are supa white

well he was supa white indeed, that was very much his upbringing

just like birds have bird dreams i assume

but his art was good because he was loyal to his dreams

when an artist tries to change their dreams to fit into market forces or ideological programs or funding requirements or studio executive demands, that's when their art sucks

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels

They could reflect the society in which they are made.

Nah, that's something a director like Spike Lee enjoys portraying. There's also no gay characters in his movies, but never mind that possible virtue signal. Maybe his casting directors were the same people responsible for Sonic Youth's and subsequent members' music videos which I should point out are whiter than the Grand Wizards' robe. But Rob likes them, so they get a pass, a special white privilege pass no less. Thinking about it I distinctly remember non-white actors in Inland Empire and Twin Peaks which should naturally render any argument moot, unless the non-white to white ratio does not reach the magic diversity target enough to quell the social justice outrage, at which point I will duck out because this kind or pedantic moral panic bores my tits off.