[Savage Clone]

Neither. I liked both of them at different points in the distant past but none of this music has aged well at all. For having a $15,000 guitar rig, Mascis' tone is absolutely unlistenable and horrible. The tasteless playing doubly so. And I like guitar solos and always have. Never understood why him and the guy from built to spill got a pass during the era when guitar solos we're so out of fashion because neither of them merited that status.

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

Neither. I liked both of them at different points in the distant past but none of this music has aged well at all. For having a $15,000 guitar rig, Mascis' tone is absolutely unlistenable and horrible. The tasteless playing doubly so. And I like guitar solos and always have. Never understood why him and the guy from built to spill got a pass during the era when guitar solos we're so out of fashion because neither of them merited that status.

Whoah Whoah Whoah....

Ok, first off, those are really two different eras. Dino got a “pass” during the ‘80s because hardcore and college rock boom because a) they laid their hardcore dues; b) they incorporated hardcore and punk elements into their music; and c) the soloing was kitschy and insane and felt somehow like part of the punk/noise/sludge (partially because of their connection to other noisey and sludgy bands like Sonic Youth, among others)

So... that’s why. It’s because very few people were doing it, and Dino thrashed like unholy fuck in a way punk kids could enjoy.

Now, Doug Martsch and Built to spill are really a different deal, from a different era, even if it was only half a decade later. And in the early- to mid-‘90s, guitar solos weren’t exactly taboo anymore. Indie rock was a proper thing, and Doug was and is a virtuosic player who weaved soloing into relatable college rock tracks, so... again, gave people who had few guitar heroes a guitar hero.

And if you don’t think Martssch is worthy of the attention, I don’t know what to say to that.

Really, “Perfeft from Now On” is one of the best guitar-records of our generation. And like Mascis chopped his soloing up in a way that made it work with a hardcore punk “presentation,” BTS did the same with indie and college rock. And they took inspiration from transcendently cool artists like Neil You f and Dark Horse and Dino themselves.

Martsch was given a pass because he brought a layered and complex approach to the craft and managed to use his guitar to evoke any mood necessary.

Which really wasn’t THAT out of place at the time (Modest Mouse did it too, a bit later, and Yo La Tengo had been doing it, and indeed Lee Ronaldo has been doing it).

I guess short answer is they got away with it because they did it well.

I don’t listen to Dino much either anymore, or Built to spill, but fuck me if both artists didn’t make guitar solos sound cool again.

[Savage Clone]

We have severely different tastes. That's all it amounts to.

And yes, I listened to them and saw them way back then. It just didn't hold up over time for me that's all.

I thought I was pretty kind in not mentioning the vocals in either of those examples. And by not mentioning sebadoh at all...

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Savage Clone

We have severely different tastes. That's all it amounts to.

And yes, I listened to them and saw them way back then. It just didn't hold up over time for me that's all.

I thought I was pretty kind in not mentioning the vocals in either of those examples. And by not mentioning sebadoh at all...

Well, who hasn’t outgrown Dino and Built to Spill?

I used to play both nonstop now I play neither ever.

But Perfect from Now On is a great record, and it gets away with guitar wankery because the wankery is good.

Like asking why My Bloody Valentine gets away with guitar wankery.

Uh cuz they made cool sounds

And Sebadoh has several brilliant albums. Well, at least three. So whatever

[Screaming Skull]

Originally Posted by Severian

Well, who hasn’t outgrown Dino and Built to Spill?

I used to play both nonstop now I play neither ever.

I'm not being snarky or disrespectful here, but if you've outgrown classics like You're Living All Over Me and Keep It Like A Secret, what exactly have you grown in to? I'm being serious. I'm hoping you'll turn me on to something as good as either one of them...

[Severian]

Originally Posted by Screaming Skull

I'm not being snarky or disrespectful here, but if you've outgrown classics like You're Living All Over Me and Keep It Like A Secret, what exactly have you grown in to? I'm being serious. I'm hoping you'll turn me on to something as good as either one of them...

Maybe not outgrown, but overplayed?

Also, Perfect From Now on > Keep it Like a Secret.

Anyway, those are all classics, no question, but they’re evocative of a different period for me.

What can I say?