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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
the OG punks were NOT returning to pop. fuck pop. they were treturning to original ROCK N ROLL, chuck berry riffs, etc.
fuck pop
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I was using Pop as an umbrella term that covered RnR though. Chuck Berry's riffs were a part of RnR but you can't deny that they also helped provide the foundations for pop music as it came to be known. And certainly The Ramones' (well Joey's anyway) infatuation with Girl Groups is far too broad to be contained within the term RnR.
The pop values that punk endorsed (elevation of the single and a turn towards a youth audience) were specifically those that'd been rejected by the more adult-oriented-album promoted by Prog and Classic Rock. Of course there are more contradictions and exceptions to this than there are pure examples of it (probably). All I'm saying is that in many ways the original Punk movement was far more sympathetic to pop than a lot of the bands currently being described as Pop Punk, who take every opportunity they can to distance themselves from any kind of pop associations.