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Originally Posted by !@#$%!

the idea is one of throoston, who claims that in the early 90s the punk-ish "outside" music broke through the mainstream-- the phrase is actually said by kim in the movie-- that idea repeats itself when throoston wrote his neu york times piece about nirvano, what is his name, stilton, no, kurdt. yes. there he elaborates on the same notion. how for a brief moment and then boom, you have arrrrrr what?

so for him & co "punk" does not stand for 1977, its stands for (quote another movie title) "attitude" that continues-- an ethos, of sorts. and that same idea repeats again in said movie "punk is/ punk ain't" (marlon riggs).

any huevos hueveras chalona akkording to said notion pop culture versions of "noise" would belong to the same punk current. so no, metal machine music didnt break the mainstream (or however it was that keeem put itt).

i say pop culture versions of noise cuz back in the 30s maybe the avantgardists were already shitting up a storm with electroacoustic paraphernalia however little did it catch though it resurged perhaps in the 70s though it never disappeared but wasnt part of "youth culture", jazz was (then). however then ornette coleman albert ayler aha! aha! welllllll;;;;

That's one interpretation, yes. Its also one I've already considered. I just prefer "broke" as in "fell apart" better. Only because its more fun.