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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
Again, from my own tangible and direct experience, guns don't solve those problems. Further having actually USED a gun several times in my life to defend myself from assholes and to defend my families (including women and children) I pray you never have too. Its not as heroic as y'all are proposing

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nobody is saying here that we want to shoot anyone or that we want to be in a position where we have to shoot anyone, or even that we ever want to be in a position where we have to defend ourselves or the people we care about from harm.
but in the case that something horrible ever happened, you know it well, 911 is a joke, so what else can you do? defenselessness is not an option.
ps- i have a fire extinguisher at home and i'm not an arsonist and i also take every precaution so i don't have to use it.