Coltrane influence on SY
 

Lee and Thurston have cited John Coltrane as an influence...

Where so you hear this in their music?

Don't say everyhere

the general freedom I would say. the kind of composing.
soundwise its pretty hard, cause they dont play the sax of course

I agree with al shabbray. Coltrane's whole concept of playing was totally open to improvisation, going against the grain. Sonic Youth have a lot of similar aspects in their songs and songwriting in general.

I was thinking in terms of muscial passages or what not...

Dissonance and atonality. Sorry I can't be more specific or I'll have to list all their repertoire :D

everywhere.

yes! coltrane gave a new sense of freedom and composing to the music, i think he saw the music as a pallete of colors than a pure struture of notes...and most of S.Y songs are a beautiful sound paintings.

"Stepping into muddy water
John's reflection decried perfection
Now you walk him through the garden"

hits of sunshine

im guessing the johns reflection line is about coltrane everyone that knew him called him a saint etc.....


but about the music itself....like the previous post i doubt if there are any specific musical moments that come directly from coltrane tho i just remembered about karen koltrane. the reason it was called koltrane was because thurstons part at the beginning of the song to him was reminescent of one of jimmy garrisons bass parts on a coltrane song.

so yeah thats the only explicit musical example i can think of.

Om is the Silver Sessions of jazz. Coltrane was a musician who ranged from deeply melodic to incredibly abrasive and noisy. So there's a direct correlation on that front.

I don't think you'll find a specific refrain lifted from Coltrane in any SY songs, but I do think the overall breadth of his music opened the door for them and all sorts of musicians in different genres afterward.

"the ascension" features lots of sort of harmolodic sounds that still evoke a general atmosphere. early sonic youth even at thier most dissonant and noisy, have always evoked a dark atmosphere around thier songs. they were never pure "noise", not even on "confusion is sex". the ideas of using harmolodic sounds, noise, and feedback, to crate atmosphere, tone, and melody is pure late-era Coltrane.

Thats the type of answer I was looking for

In the lyric sheet for the vinyl version of "A thousand Leaves", the title of A LOVE SUPREME (Coltrane's record) is written in between the words for "Karen Koltrane" (more precisely, the instrumental passage after "will she stay forever/are we still together".)