power violence...
 

i love the power violence genre, once hardcore got lame and became a buncha jock bands singing about revengre, there were a few logical progressions from hardcore. some bands sped up their sound and tightened their approach and added solos and went the way of thrash, like dri, suicidal tendencies, cro mags, corrosion of conformity, etc... some bands added blast beats and got a hell of a lot louder and became grindcore, like sob, napalm death whatever. and then there were those bands who got bored with hardcore and slowed their shit down and got nosier, like flipper and the melvins.

some bands though, started playing faster, weirder, and added some elements of harsh noise, and started the power violence. i think deep wound and sob were maybe the first bands to influence this genre.

anyways, who cares, lets discuss power violence.

my fave power violence bands are:
dropdead
charles bronson
crossed out
spazz
fuck on the beach
man is the bastard/bastard noise
the endless blockade
rorshach (some dont consider them power violence, but i do)
neanderthal
asshole parade

i used to be big into power violence and shit, but not so much anymore. los crudos (if they count) are my favorite.

sure they count, theyre good too.

do you like limp wrist? i have their discography. i think they're pretty good.

i have the limp wrist discog too! awesome.

anyhoo, i count "power violence" as either punk or grindcore, depending on my mood.

br: you're going to get picked on here because of your retelling of the evolution of hardcore.

haha, i know, i kinda knew that while writing it. ive just been super interested by how hardcore splintered into so many other genres lately.

lately?!

i'm very interested in how there's good (incredibly good) hardcore and bad (incredibly horrible) hardcore and it has pretty much always been like that.

no, not lately like hardcore lately, i mean ive been interested in it lately, thinking about it recently, that sort of thing,

Larm

...watchmaker...
...mob 47...

YESSSSSSSSSS! POWER FUCKING VIOLENCE!

if you have any Neanderthal, point me in that direction.

Your list is more or less mine. The only thing I must add is INFEST.

edit: AND SLIGHT SLAPPERS!

i love infest too

yeah i liked it a lot a long time ago.

despise you was my favorite.

i just liked how power violence seemed like the epitome of hardcore punk, like it was as leftfield and extreme as the genre could get.

that might be wrong, but i duno.

definitely. I feel like it's the fastest, most intense form of punk there is.

I recently made friends with a guy who listens to a lot of crust and I can see why that genre might be arguably more epitomising. I think it just depends on how and why you listen to it.

What is ''power violence''?

Lärm are like the godfathers of PV , and they're awful.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_violence

yeah, I'm definitely more partial to the likes of Siege.

This thread has inspired me to listen to the No Comment discography.

flipper never changed they're sound, they started out slow and kept at it.

I have to challenge your basic assumption that all the hardcore bands started out from point A and the diverged - initially yeah there were a bunch of faster than fast bands, but at the same time there were slow bands and VERY slow bands and just plain freaked bands. The secret is that hardcore was essentially an offshoot of THE PSYCHEDELIC MOVEMENT. The superfast bands is what you are told to remember, but at the time there were many different bands with many different sounds.

What really happened is there were all these different sounds and they basically all congealed down into the few genre types you mention. There was also a strong communist influence in the early hardcore movement that got weeded out real quick. Thats why there is such a longing for Black Flag but not MDC.