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This Is Not Here 03.23.2008 11:35 AM

Syd Barrett invented Noise-Rock
 
Yes alright I know he didn't, but it got your attention.

Is anyone familiar with Syd Barrett's track No Man's Land ?, from my all-time favourite album The Madcap Laughs (1970). I read somewhere this song was one of the earliest British rock songs to properly embrace what would later be known as 'Noise-Rock'. I was just wondering if people would agree with this, and what earlier British studio tracks embraced feedback quite like Syd does here?

Torn Curtain 03.23.2008 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by This Is Not Here
I was just wondering if people would agree with this, and what earlier British artists embraced feedback quite like Syd does on this track?


Jeff Beck and the Who used feedback earlier than that, I haven't heard the Syd Barret song.

EDIT: I think you meant in the studio, so I can't give a specific answer then.

This Is Not Here 03.23.2008 01:45 PM

Yes, your quite right, in the studio, i'll add that in then

fugazifan 03.23.2008 01:57 PM

keith rowe was before him and influenced him

This Is Not Here 03.23.2008 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by fugazifan
keith rowe was before him and influenced him


Yes, but the emphasis here is on studio ROCK tracks not the avant-garde tinkerings. If this turns into 'but what is rock, really?' faces will be slapped.

Dead-Air 03.23.2008 04:47 PM

The Sonics were way before Syd and noisy all over the place. The Who and The Kinks openly admited they were borrowing heavily from them.

batreleaser 03.23.2008 05:45 PM

the godz were in the 60's and they were definitley noisy.

and nihilist spasm band is an honest to god noise band, and they were in the 60's, why does everyone forget these guys.

Dead-Air 03.23.2008 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
the godz were in the 60's and they were definitley noisy.

and nihilist spasm band is an honest to god noise band, and they were in the 60's, why does everyone forget these guys.


Well, he swore up and down that he only wanted to discuss "rock" bands. Sun Ra was already doing some noisy stuff in the '50s if we're going to look at all genres, and the Futurists were making noise music in the 1910s-1920s.

This Is Not Here 03.23.2008 06:57 PM

Yeah, i wanted this discussion to be confined to British acts really, simply because I'd get a million posts saying "THE VELVET UNDERGROUND!" otherwise (and quite rightly so). The Nihilist Spasm Band were Canadian, and Sun Ra was from outer-space, right?

Death & the Maiden 03.23.2008 08:10 PM

No Man's Land was one of the few songs from Madcap that I liked when I first listened to it. I liked how it was a bit more of a "rock" song than the other acoustic ones. Now though, my favourites are Dark Globe, Golden Hair, Octopus, Late Night. But No Man's Land is still good - better than If It's In You.

batreleaser 03.23.2008 09:27 PM

my bad, didnt read closely enough, sorry yall.

but the gods still apply.

batreleaser 03.23.2008 09:27 PM

godz*

Death & the Maiden 03.23.2008 09:27 PM

Interstellar Overdrive is pretty good evidence for your noise rock theory.

Dead-Air 03.23.2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by This Is Not Here
Yeah, i wanted this discussion to be confined to British acts really, simply because I'd get a million posts saying "THE VELVET UNDERGROUND!" otherwise (and quite rightly so). The Nihilist Spasm Band were Canadian, and Sun Ra was from outer-space, right?


You keep changing the rules! Next thing you'll say you only want it confined to guys who wore flowered and paisley shirts and drank acid instead of orange juice for breakfast!

Death & the Maiden 03.25.2008 12:46 AM

I just listened to The Madcap Laughs today, and No Man's Land is great, lots of feedback/distortion and a really good solo. Now it's one of my favourite Syd songs.

Toilet & Bowels 03.25.2008 07:47 AM

i don't get the fuss about syd barrett, i mean he's ok

SpectralJulianIsNotDead 03.25.2008 11:03 PM

I went back in time and found a band of caveman who called themselves "uggghr uggh ughhh" who hit shit with sticks and screamed in front of large audiences of other cavemen with their arms folded and slowly nodding.


Uggghr Uggh Ughhh were the first noise rock band

unless you cound Reeeeeeeowwwwwwwarrahhhh, the Velociraptor trio that entertained all the other dinosaurs

batreleaser 03.26.2008 12:31 AM

syd barret was a great songwriter, just listen to piper at the gates of dawn. that ablum was miles ahead of all the other psych bands, it actually sounded like an ablum inspired by acid, as oppose to all the other super happy psych shit goin on at the time. people whove done acid know its not all flowers and giggles and kaleidescopes on that shit, it can be one lonely, ugly expericne givin any arong stimul. not to mention, without syd, floyd got progressivley worse with every ablum. in fact theres not one floyd record i really like post-piper.

sarramkrop 03.26.2008 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by batreleaser
syd barret was a great songwriter, just listen to piper at the gates of dawn. that ablum was miles ahead of all the other psych bands, it actually sounded like an ablum inspired by acid, as oppose to all the other super happy psych shit goin on at the time. people whove done acid know its not all flowers and giggles and kaleidescopes on that shit, it can be one lonely, ugly expericne givin any arong stimul. not to mention, without syd, floyd got progressivley worse with every ablum. in fact theres not one floyd record i really like post-piper.


Was this post inspired by acid too?

batreleaser 03.26.2008 11:01 AM

maybe it was...


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