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cryptowonderdruginvogue 10.19.2007 11:29 AM

Drummers, what's good?
 
we got this drumset in our studio now
got a good deal on it, supposedly
is gretsch a good brand?

 

 

nicfit 10.19.2007 11:49 AM

You better find a good drummer rather than a good drumset.

floatingslowly 10.19.2007 12:01 PM

GIVE US A SNAAAAAARE RRRRRRUSSH.
 

alyasa 10.19.2007 12:04 PM

Start as you mean to go on.

nicfit 10.19.2007 12:57 PM

Am I the only one posting wise things lately?

!@#$%! 10.19.2007 01:04 PM

i'm gonna booglarize you.

address?

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nicfit: yes

floatingslowly 10.19.2007 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicfit
Am I the only one posting wise things lately?


the revolution will not be televised!

Green_mind 10.19.2007 02:29 PM

The carpet under that drum kit reminds me of blur's music video to 'song 2'.
Not sure how big gretsch is as a brand, but them drums look mighty fine, double bass drum pedal I see.

SynthethicalY 10.19.2007 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicfit
You better find a good drummer rather than a good drumset.


I concur.

Rob Instigator 10.19.2007 03:27 PM

gretsch makes good drums. they make all from beginners kits to good quality performance kits.

terminal pharmacy 10.19.2007 07:31 PM

ok that is the very low end range of gretsch, still ok, learn how to tune it and it will sound good. the hardware is all shit, kick pedal etc, and the zxt cymbals are real beginner range and sound very very average. if you wanna start making a real studio then you need to know your equipment, if you tried to charge me to record and i walked in and saw that i would turn around and hit the pavement... buy good gear only the cheaper you buy the sooner you replace and the crapper the sound, and this goes for nearly everything you can buy audio and instrument wise. stop wasting your money and do some research if you really want to make a business of it. do a course in engineering and digital music production if you have no idea, you can only learn so much from reading bbs posts.... don't mean to sound harsh just being upfront and honest

max 10.19.2007 10:25 PM

IMHO that hardware is not crappy. there's crappier, trust me.
if you consider yourself a pro drummer, then it's safe to assume that you will have your own set. so if i was somebody interested in recording at your studio, i'd care more about what mics and preamps and equipment is being used...

that said, what's the price for that?

tearaway spine 10.19.2007 11:38 PM

just listen to terminal up there.

nicfit 10.20.2007 03:49 AM

Crypto, if you want to make a business out of it (thought it was just for your band's recordings)and offer a "full package" TP already gave all the answers. :D Max has a point there too, bands can always bring their equipment, but I'd still invest money in something that you won't need/want to replace soon-ish.

terminal pharmacy 10.20.2007 04:35 AM

here are the mics i use on drums:

kick - audio technica ae2500 (this mic has a small diaphragm condenser and a dynamic capsule so takes two channels) or a beyer dynamic m88

snare - shure beta57a

toms - i generally use shure sm98s but these are better live mics than for recording but can still get great sounds recording

hats - akg se300b with an ck93 capsule or akg 451 or neumann km184

overheads - akg 414 (two of) or neumann km184

this is a good package of mics that will last a few decades if well looked after. also have a selection of shure sm57s.

beyerdynamic also make good mics for toms.

this is an investment in the future of your business if that is what you want to run.

put new heads on the kit, remo ambassadors or pin stripes, the ambassadors will give you that pink floyd type drum sound with a good tuning, pin stripes will give you a more deeply timbred sound that you would be most accustomed to hearing in rock. evans also do good heads.

cut a hole in the kick skin (not the batterhead) or take it right off, use as little dampening in the kick as possible get a good tuning and you will able to make it sound sweet. if you don't know how to tune drums get a tama tension watch and use the standard tunings it gives you then play from there. the standard tunings sound good but the snare tuning is more of a marching band tuning so tighten it up a bit. i use remo muffles in my kick and that is all nothing goes in the drum except for them. always play around with you mic placements and try things out to see the differences in sounds. with recording drums i usually place a room mic about 3 meters away then time align in post, this will give you more air in your drum mix particulary if you are looking at getting a gastr del sol type drum sound. you need gates for drums and you need to learn how to set the gate thresholds so they open and close appropriately, drawmer make the best gates on the market. klarktechnic do a good set of compressors called square one which gives you 8 channels of comp. start with a ration of 4:1 and play with the threshold and then adjust from there. compression should not be heard most of the time unless you are going for a dynamic effect where you really want to squash the sound. i always compress the kick drum as this tightens up the sound. hope that helps for a bit of info for drums.

ZEROpumpkins 10.20.2007 04:50 AM

It's a very good kit.


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