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SYRFox 10.18.2007 03:18 PM

Mathematic pluridimensionnal failure
 
Take the function:

f(x) = (1/x)(x^3 - x^2)

So: f(x) = (x^3/x) - (x^2/x)
= x² - x.

We proved that: (1/x)(x^3 - x^2) = x² -x.

But if x= 0:

-> x² - x = 0² - 0 = 0
-> (1/x)(x^3 - x^2) = (1/0)(0^3 - 0^2) : this is impossible (division per zero).

So these two functions are the same, but they're not the same (O_O)

OMG OMG WTF?!?

Tokolosh 10.18.2007 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SYRFox
Take the function:

f(x) = (1/x)(x^3 - x^2)

So: f(x) = (x^3/x) - (x^2/x)
= x² - x.

We proved that: (1/x)(x^3 - x^2) = x² -x.

But if x= 0:

-> x² - x = 0² - 0 = 0
-> (1/x)(x^3 - x^2) = (1/0)(0^3 - 0^2) : this is impossible (division per zero).

So these two functions are the same, but they're not the same (O_O)

OMG OMG WTF?!?


If f(x) = x² - x
= f(x) = 0² - 0
then the division is the same. But 0² = 0.
You're dividing 0 by 0. Not possible unless 0 = x

OMG OMG WTF?!?

A Thousand Threads 10.18.2007 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SYRFox
Take the function:

f(x) = (1/x)(x^3 - x^2)

So: f(x) = (x^3/x) - (x^2/x)
= x² - x.

We proved that: (1/x)(x^3 - x^2) = x² -x.

But if x= 0:

-> x² - x = 0² - 0 = 0
-> (1/x)(x^3 - x^2) = (1/0)(0^3 - 0^2) : this is impossible (division per zero).

So these two functions are the same, but they're not the same (O_O)

OMG OMG WTF?!?


a pole at x=0
what's so strange about that?

edit: Just realized that it isn't a pole.
Anyways, it's late

!@#$%! 10.18.2007 04:15 PM

tit, you dividing by 0, what's new?

--
the moral: do not solve math equations while stoned.

wow, man, did you see that? it's like... like... wow...

!@#$%! 10.18.2007 04:19 PM

ps-

youre doing [x^3 - x^2]/x, if x= 0 then it's 0/0

Quote:

The expression 0/0 is an "indeterminate form". That does not simply mean that it is undefined; rather, it means that the limit of f(x)/g(x) is determined by the particular functions f and g as they both approach 0. As x approaches some number, the limit may approach any finite number, 0, ∞, or −∞, depending on the specific behavior of the functions. See l'Hôpital's rule.

you stated it was IMPOSSIBLE, which was wrong, hence the logical loophole.

HECKLER SPRAY 10.18.2007 04:48 PM

Please, can you stop speaking chinese, I don't understand...:confused:
Logical ? What does it mean ?

golden child 10.18.2007 05:26 PM

what he is struggling with is 1/0, not 0/0. meaning that they are not equal because y is undefined when x=0. can the first one even be considered a parabola since it has the break in it?

!@#$%! 10.18.2007 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golden child
what he is struggling with is 1/0,


yeah but in the case of x=0 that formula amounts to 0/0. he's ignoring the value of the numerator, sez eye.

HECKLER SPRAY 10.18.2007 06:18 PM

:confused: :confused: ??????????????????????????????????????????:confuse d: :confused:

alyasa 10.18.2007 08:11 PM

What !@#$%! said.

finding nobody 10.18.2007 09:19 PM

Should be able to make sense out of that? Cause I can't

!@#$%! 10.18.2007 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HECKLER SPRAY
Please, can you stop speaking chinese, I don't understand...:confused:
Logical ? What does it mean ?


sorry for my bad english, what i meant was that his logic was short-circuiting. yes? he was reaching a self-contradictory conclusion. but it is because his premises were wrong.

alyasa 10.18.2007 09:55 PM

Basically, he created a self-contradictory loop, which feeds back onto itself, thereby creating an infinite paradox, which if questioned begins to melt down the logic circuits of the brain...

!@#$%! 10.18.2007 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyasa
Basically, he created a self-contradictory loop, which feeds back onto itself, thereby creating an infinite paradox, which if questioned begins to melt down the logic circuits of the brain...


^^ what he said. 2 thumbs up.

StevOK 10.19.2007 11:24 AM

The function is undefined at x=0. I forget what those are called, but they always have to be looked out for when you do this kind of thing.

alyasa 10.19.2007 11:56 AM

I think you might have to factor in limits in this equation. I think it's not so much undefined, but the proper term is indeterminate, I believe. If you factor in limits in the above equation and let the limits of x approach zero, then you effectively illustrate that the equation is unsolvable algebraically, thereby removing the conundrum that has been put in place by attempting to solve the equation further.

"...To avoid this little inconsistency the epsilon-delta limit device is used to establish that the LIMIT of the ratio dy/dx is 2ax + b as dx APPROACHES zero."

golden child 10.20.2007 02:48 AM

this function never crosses the y axis because when x=0 y is undefined, the reduced version is a full parabola so to speak that actually crosses the y axis at (0,0)

Quote:

yeah but in the case of x=0 that formula amounts to 0/0. he's ignoring the value of the numerator, sez eye.

Quote:

(1/0)(0^3 - 0^2)

5Against1 10.20.2007 03:06 AM

I think you forgot to carry the 1.

_slavo_ 10.20.2007 03:28 AM

 


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