origin of EMO
 

then

teh kurtz

I'd say that's about right.

Here's your origin of emo:

yeah!!
these are the fuckers we have to blame.

Bloody emo kids...

The Pumpkins were pretty tasteful about their emoness, though. Well, initially..

I mean, the songs were more like soppy love songs than 'omg i slit my wrists open so my heart can pour out x core' kind of emo.

They had some real emo songs too you know.
Zero was so unbelievably emoXcore.

How so?

Be reminded that I was a hxc pumpkins fan way back when..

come on guys, gish pwned

Aren't these dudes generally considered the daddies of all this nonsense?

I can see Husker Du, in a sense, because they did focus on personal politics more than actual political issues, but I'll never ever call them emo.

The whole term is bullshit. If talking about personal issues is emo, then most bands are.

Yes and that album is great!

I like to consider bands like Swing Kids, Antioch Arrow, and Heroin the founders of the modern 'emo' scene. They did it fantastically but, let's be honest, JP looked like a total scenester back in his Swing Kids days.

Bleh.. Who cares??? I mean, emo doesn't mean anything ... Its just an excuse for "cool" kids to dress up. Its an image. A corporate brand. Most bands, in all genres, write "emotional" songs, music needs emotion and passion to have any sort of lasting resonance.

Well said GrungeMonkey. ALL music is emo if you are basing the shitty term on emotions. Happiness is an emotion. Mindless shit comes from emotion too. It's just a label, a scene for kids to attach to, not unlike the punk scene, or the grunge scene of the 90s, or any other scene, or that ghastly nu-metal thing of the late 90s/early '00s. You look at the kids, or even people older who have huge mohawks and wear their suspenders and shit, they look just as silly as the kid with the huge fringe covering his eyes. It's all fashion. The music then gets dictated by the fashion.

I often wonder how a label is defined.... Like i think it's just all media driven. - Like what was a punk before it was typecast? Was it really anything before it was "punk", something you couldn't buy into?

I have no point really, but you can see what i'm getting at - someone smarter can try and articulate it if they want.

all i know that today's "emo", something that is on the tounges of millions of pubescent teenagers and thousands of pathetic adults
and is almost always used in a negative connotation, is really really pathetic. and sad. mom and dad know "emo" now.

anyone that even has the slightest idea what "emo" originally meant but still use it today are just making themselves look/sound bad.

meh who cares

hardcore will make me explode sooner than later. fucking local kids and bands...