Beat Happening were awful. In and of themselves I wouldn't have such a problem, but the fact that they became influential did way more damage than good in my opinion.

I also don't particularly care for the third Velvet Underground album but I see why other people like it.

Cute music isn't solely Olympia's fault, but K Records sure didn't help.

I have plenty of musical heroes, VU high among them, but they all make missteps and I can't think of any who are "infallible." I don't even want them to be.

VU albums 1-4 are perfect. 1, 2 and 4 are *more* perfect than 3, but they're still all perfect. Not infallible, but still perfect. In my opinion.

I kinda see what you mean, but K did a lot more than cultivate Beat Happeninf clones. Modest Mouse, Microphones... not cute. Frickin' terrifying at times.

Also, Beat Happening was pretty goddamn terrifying too, if you listen closely. Especially Black Candy. Great album. Great hand. In my opinion.

I have zero musical heroes, but I do love some musicians and bands who never made an error in their official discography. Examples include Fugazi, Kanye, Velvet Underground, Aphex Twin, and all the other fuckers I talk about too much :cool:

Wow. I fucking love Beat Happening. Hard.

Modest mouse might be the worst band I have seen get that successful in the last 10-15 years. Unlistenable vocals. Can't believe Johnny Marr played with them.

Edit:
I guess I can see the point you are trying to make, but obviously we have a few fundamental differences in taste ( including what defines "terrifying" in a musical combo).

Well, you're 100% right that Mosest Mouse was patently terrible by the time they became popular. I still remember listening to "Float on" for the first time with my then-girlfriend, and the two of us just stared at each other, mouths agape, eyes wide, thinking, "WHAT. THE. FUCK." I mean, how do you go from a cracked out thunderer like "What People are Made of" to... THAT?

But before that point, when they were hanging around with Calvin Johnson and K, and Up! Records, they were one of the best things going. I swear, their first two albums and early EPs (and Moon & Antarctica, to a lesser extent) sound like they were made by a completely different band than whatever pie-faced fuckparty shat out the line, "Alright all ready even if things end up a bit too heavy we'll all float on!" *projectile vomit*

I feel like this is common knowledge though, so chances are you have heard and dislike tracks like "Trucker's Atlas," in which case yes, there's a huge difference in taste at play here.

They definitely changed, but I heard them from the beginning on (they got tons of exposure on college radio in my area when they were new )and always had an allergic reaction to their whole thing. Clearly they did fine without my support though.

To me, they were the best band in the world for a while. Modest Mouse in 1997 was a mighty fucking thing indeed. And I actually think early on, their live performances of the This is a Long Drive... stuff we're superior to the actual record, because they were kind of nuts, and played with a volatile sloppy punk energy that still hit the right notes.

Moon & Antarctica was a behemoth too. Seeing them play "The Stars are Projectors" was fucking electrifying. It was like they were putting every other Pacific Northwest band on notice, and saying, "Yeah, we're on Epic now, but we still own you. We DARE you to try for something like this." And for a while, they ruled. In my opinion, they put most other bands to shame both on and off record.

Then of course they started to suck in ways nobody could have possibly predicted, and they never stopped sucking. STILL — for a while, they had everyone hanging by the nuts.

Meh

Savage doesn't like Kate Bush. Why would anyone argue about music with such a creature?

Heh, guess I just don't dig squeakers and yelpers. You got me there.

kate bush is boring as FUCK. I mean, FUUUUUUCCKKKKK..

I hate that squeaky voiced shit. Kate Bush, Joanna Newsome, Alvin & The Chipmunks... etc.


My fave modest mouse son , and the first one I heard, is Dirty Fingernails.
https://youtu.be/9Fi6ZOhCGQ4 fucking LOVE this song.

hahhahahah

OK, EVERYBODY in this thread has missed the fact that "There She Goes" is actually a La's song!

Hah. Right you are. It's "There She Goes Again" bahahaha

And that Las song was in So I Married an Axe Murderer, I believe.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Soup Nazi again."

(Really? STILL?)

hahahahhaha