The REAL Evolution Thread
 

Man cohabitating with dinosaurs:



Discuss.

 

Finally, a motion picture about dinosaurs that leads youth away from evolutionism, instead of into it! This well-illustrated production reveals new perspectives on how dinosaurs properly fit into history. Fascinating to young and old alike! Counter-acts Evolutionary teaching, and provides evidence that Man and dinosaurs lived together, as confirmed by the Bible. Very popular!

Who cares? They're dead.

"Think about the future."

The mysterious (or fake) Ica stones of Peru.

Dinosaurs are great. I don't know about evolution, though.

The theory of evolution is a religious belief, and natural selection is still a myth.

Evolution, smevolution. I'm with Danny. Dinosaurs are indeed great.

what is religious about it?

scietific "theories" are not blind dogma to be believed without evidence.

learn something.

DARWIN forever

I found this post from Tokolosh rather bizarre myself.

Just because science doesn't fully understand the mechanisms of evolution in living organisms doesn't mean that evolution isn't scientifically proven.

Thus, evolution is generally accepted in the scientific community. Thus, it is still referred to as a theory.
This doesn't mean, however, that scientists are "buying in" to acceptance of evolution through some sort of religion-based "need" or "faith in science."
Scientists know without any doubts that evolution of species occurred, they just respectfully still refer to evolution as a theory because a) there is always more to know and learn about the mechanism of evolution and the deep mysteries of origin of species b) they rely on funding from political bodies that do not want evolution to be referred to as "fact" in the general culture.

And, to the topic query, I believe noumenal already knows that early humanoids and proper (large reptilian) dinosaurs never coexisted.

There is currently a movement among some religious groups in the UK for the teaching of evolution in schools to be banned, and for it to be replaced by the teaching of the biblical creation story. They claim that the creation story can be no more scientifically disproved than evolution, and that the creation story should therefore be taught as science.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/prog...izon/war.shtml

You may say to yourself, "Darwinism is not a religion, it is a scientific theory!" But there are many people in the world who are devoted to it. Some believe that evolution is a scientifically proven fact, and the world lies under the influence of this so called scientific position.
Darwinism did not begin with the theory established by the amateur observations and investigations of Charles Darwin and other scientists in the 19th century. Its origins go back to much earlier materialist philosophies. Darwinist beliefs were first encountered a few thousand years ago in the polytheistic and materialistic religions of Greece and Sumeria. Therefore, Charles Darwin was not the first person to put forward the idea of evolution; he was an amateur researcher who traced the main outlines of this basic belief, gave form to its doctrines, and later established a theory.

There are scientists today, that see many flaws in his work and consider it a pagan religion.

I can't think of anything putting more of a 'twist' in the story than that.

they are following the lead of the ignorant ultra-fundamentalist christians in the USA. I hate these fuckers. they are leading the next generation down a very very slipery path. all it takes is ONE generation to stop reading and learning and thinking critically ad the whole shebang goes to shit for a hundred years (europe's dark ages, where, due to religious fundamentalism, they "forgot" that the earth was round, that communicable disease was prevented through sanitation, etc.)

There are ridiculous amounts of factual evidence, Tokolosh.

More gets discovered every day that fits the puzzle.

It's really to the point that to say you don't believe evolution occurred is like saying you choose to live in ignorance of the truth. It's a bit like living in a cave, or under a rock, with head planted firmly in the sand.

If evolution were folly it would have been found out a long time ago, especially considering all the obstinate adversity to evolutionary theory that persists even to this day.

do you not understand that darwin started it, and it has been subsequently verified by hundreds if not thousands of experiments and scientists, all working independently? and that not ONCE has there been any experimental results that NEGATE natural selection? and that geneticists have combed our dna and not negated our inter-relatedness as living things?
that is another cheap argument by the fools that claim natural selection is a religion which they choose to label "darwinism" it is BULLSHIT.
darwin was flawed, no doubt, but so is every new thinker. Isaac newton got some things wrong too, but does that negate his observations about inertia and gravity and the elliptical nature of the planets' orbits?

NO

No one has ever observed the origin of a new species by selection, natural or otherwise. Bacteria should be the easiest organisms in which to observe this, because bacteria can produce thousands of generations in a matter of months, and they can be subjected to powerful mutation-causing agents and intense selection. Nevertheless, in over a century of research no new species of bacteria have emerged.

Can any of you explain this?

what about germs that develope resistance to antibiotics?

personaly i am particularly interested in the work of Herbert Edgar Wyndham who experimented with genetic manipulation.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with many of Darwins theories, but there are still many questions left unanswered about natural selection and evolution.

so what do you believe tokolosh?

To believe is to not know for sure.

i'm particularly interested in Herbert Edgar Wyndham's experiment in which he evolved his pet dalmation dempsey into a humanoid life form with the intelligence of a chimpanzee

If the the theories of a man who single-handedly proved that there aren't different races within human beings have to be questioned in this time and age,i think we are pretty fucked up as a whole.

ok so what do you think then?

here is another facsinating extract from the life of herbert edgar wyndham

In partnership with scientist Jonathan Drew, Wyndham moved his experiments to the seclusion of Wundagore Mountain in the Balkans. Discovery of the uranium on the land (inherited by Drew's wife) provided vast funding, and they bought more land from local baron Gregor Russoff. Assembling a "citadel of science" designed by German scientist Horace Grayson, the pair continued their experiment until Drew's daughter fell ill from uranium poisoning, and was placed into suspended animation to save her life. Subsequently, Drew's wife was attacked and killed by a werewolf (Russoff himself, victim of a family curse), and Drew left Wundagore; Wyndham, on the other hand, developed a suit of protective silver armor for himself and continued his work. Now joined in his work by research assistant Mile Warren, Wyndham was able to make more and more radical breakthroughs, including the genetic acceleration of some local animals into the half-human, half-animal beings that he dubbed his "New Men".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles...eligious_views

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles...ws_on_religion

I think that Darwin was a brilliant naturalist, even by todays standards. He opened the doors to many questions that science is still trying to deal with today. Thanks to him, we can now bring science a step closer to finding out more about the origins of species and the truth behind evolution.

What's your explanation for posting those links atari?

I want to die by having my nuclear fuel cell slowly drain away as I witness the death pangs of the universe we live in in my 15 BILLION year old cyborg body, which I have had my brain and consciousness uploaded onto, long after the human race is but a speck of memory among the cosmos, and I have travvelled the multiverse seeking new life and new civilizations and I have seen the wonders of the universe... That would be a GREAT way to die.

dude! they have observed speciation in flatworms, in bacteria, in fruit flies, in all sorts of animals!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles...eligious_views

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles...ws_on_religion
I posted the links to affirm for purposes of the debate that religion (or at least a belief in God) still has value even though evolution is true.
Evolutionary theory obviously has great value since it is, after all, true. What hasn't been as obvious for many people (many of them scientists) is that God (& Myth) has value as well still. At least particle physicists know the truth. This is not to say that creationism should ever supersede the teachings of science in school systems. On the contrary, religion and state should always be kept separate. Sadly, our current political climate regarding this "origin issue" proves that history has taught us nothing.

Darwin himself was a Christian, then an agnostic. He never stopped believing in God. As the links explain, he renounced Christianity after the death of his daughter. He stopped believing in a merciful God that one can appeal to for anything by word, and this is correct, because God is Natural Law. In my mind (notice the quotation marks), "God" must be "appealed to" by deed in accordance to Natural Law. As far as our minds will ever truly comprehend, "God" and the Natural Laws of the observable universe are one and the same. Darwin would have probably liked the song "Big Sky" by The Kinks.

I agree. Denouncing god altogether, could/would be naive.
I'm not religious, but I won't deny his existance (natural law) that easily either.
Oh! I have so much to learn, and so little time...

It's crazy to think that people in the U.S. had a better handle on the issue way back in 1925 during the Scopes trial. And it was Prohoibition at the time to boot. Well, I guess there were still bootleggers and lots of (still) legal narcotics heehe.

DUH! Of course!
Thats why i intend to lobby schools in my area to teach that it was ME who created the world 10 billion years ago and that i have traversed through the ages in the form of man, bird, fish, ape and dinosaur, creating all life and (eventually) human concepts as i trundled along. You can't prove that i'm wrong because our human perception of the world is a function of our cognitive and perceptual processes, and the result of this is that every opinion ever formed is impure and affected by our own inner prejudices and expectations, therefore you can't prove me wrong, and my statements are as valid as Christian theories of Creationism, and i am your God.

Now fuck off.

i'm pro evo

Me too!

Don't know much about it. Only that it had something to do with forbidding the teachings of evolution by a certain Mr Scopes.

Scopes was charged with having taught from a chapter on evolution to a class at a Tennessee high school on May 5, 1925 in violation of the Butler Act. He was arrested, but not detained.
The Scopes trial decision effectively overturned Tennessee's The Butler Act from the earlier the very same year (these decidely less-spoiled American citizens wasted no time in correcting the bullshit plate put on their table courtesy of politicians) and has since been used as a precedent in many court cases throughout the United States and in the Supreme Court.

Interesting read.
1925 heh? I cannot help but wonder, how many people are still anti-evolution to this day.