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gmku 12.14.2006 01:27 AM

What if Brian Jones hadn't died?
 
What if the other Rolling Stones hadn't murdered him? Would we have Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, and Exile? Or would we have them but they'd be filled with sitar and other wild things? Would the Stones sound like the Brian Jonestown Massacre?

Under Brian's influence, maybe Keith would have stayed off junk and become an acid head instead. Maybe Mick would have been less of a socialite. Maybe Brown Sugar would have an Indian raga break instead of a sax solo.

Your thoughts?

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 01:31 AM

the only good thing that would come of him being alive is the fact that the stones would have broken up years ago as they should have.
if brian had been around keith would still have been on the brown. mick would still have been a prissy bitch. brown sugar would have sucked.

Everyneurotic 12.14.2006 01:31 AM

we might have had them but they would sound different, although my real guess is that he would have quit the stones and then form another band or gone solo and, depending on his level of ego-centritcness and number of yesmen he surrounded himself with, be either great or incredibly bad.

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 01:32 AM

my guess is that he would have left anyway and gone off and done some flowery psychedelic bullshit. and just for the record, keith was doing smack when brian was still in the band.

TheMadcapLaughs 12.14.2006 01:34 AM

Fools, he was already kicked out of the group when he drowned/was killed/died/whatever, nothing would have changed at all!

Everyneurotic 12.14.2006 01:35 AM

what if mick had gone solo in 1969?

gmku 12.14.2006 01:35 AM

These are interesting theories. At least to me.

I'd like to hear something really absurd and unfounded, though. Anyone?

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
Fools, he was already kicked out of the group when he drowned/was killed/died/whatever, nothing would have changed at all!

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Originally Posted by gmku
What if the other Rolling Stones hadn't murdered him?


this statement seems to entail that the stones alienated him and eventually ended up firing him, and i believe what our dear record collecting friend is asking of us is what would have happened if things worked out with brian. which they didn't, thankfully.
apparently he was a real son of a bitch. i know he beat anita and had a gaggle of illegitimate kids.

gmku 12.14.2006 01:38 AM

I think Brian would have joined the Beatles. Paul would leave in a huff, George would be fascinated at having a kind of soul mate in the band, and John would choose to keep the band together and the Beatles would go on to make crazy psychedelic shit throughout the 70s.

TheMadcapLaughs 12.14.2006 01:39 AM

sorry to be a smart ass but, murdered him means alienated? i thought gmku meant actually murdered cause that is a stupid fucking theory that some people actually believe.

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I'd like to hear something really absurd and unfounded, though. Anyone?

brian jones is still alive.
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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
sorry to be a smart ass but, murdered him means alienated? i thought gmku meant actually murdered cause that is a stupid fucking theory that some people actually believe.


do you not understand that the english language is flexible to a certain extent and that some words can be used to magnify the severity of a situation?

TheMadcapLaughs 12.14.2006 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I think Brian would have joined the Beatles. Paul would leave in a huff, George would be fascinated at having a kind of soul mate in the band, and John would choose to keep the band together and the Beatles would go on to make crazy psychedelic shit throughout the 70s.


i think thats fairly obvious

gmku 12.14.2006 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
sorry to be a smart ass but, murdered him means alienated? i thought gmku meant actually murdered cause that is a stupid fucking theory that some people actually believe.


NO, the lovely and insightful Cantankerous is correct. I was speaking metaphorically with tongue half in cheek. And stop being so damned contentious. Maybe you haven't caught on yet that we try to be cordial around here, for the most part.

Everyneurotic 12.14.2006 01:42 AM

what if the stones stayed together and were still making albums and touring?

gmku 12.14.2006 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
brian jones is still alive.

do you not understand that the english language is flexible to a certain extent and that some words can be used to magnify the severity of a situation?


"... you know sometimes words have two mea-eanings..."

TheMadcapLaughs 12.14.2006 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
brian jones is still alive.

do you not understand that the english language is flexible to a certain extent and that some words can be used to magnify the severity of a situation?


no i do, but if he happens to use the fucking word "murder", im goign to think thats exactly what he meant, because people do believe, that rolling stones, mick or keith or whatever, actually physically murdered him. And anyways, I think we are both wrong now, since it appears gmku is just fucking around.

gmku 12.14.2006 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
what if the stones stayed together and were still making albums and touring?


That's ridiculous! And Keith would wear metal bits in his hair. Right! Ha!

gmku 12.14.2006 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
no i do, but if he happens to use the fucking word "murder", im goign to think thats exactly what he meant, because people do believe, that rolling stones, mick or keith or whatever, actually physically murdered him. And anyways, I think we are both wrong now, since it appears gmku is just fucking around.


People, people, can we all just get along. Brothers and sisters, what are we fighting for?

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
no i do, but if he happens to use the fucking word "murder", im goign to think thats exactly what he meant, because people do believe, that rolling stones, mick or keith or whatever, actually physically murdered him. And anyways, I think we are both wrong now, since it appears gmku is just fucking around.

i like how literally you think. the mark of a true american.

well shit. now i sound like gwyneth paltrow.

gmku 12.14.2006 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
no i do, but if he happens to use the fucking word "murder", im goign to think thats exactly what he meant, because people do believe, that rolling stones, mick or keith or whatever, actually physically murdered him. And anyways, I think we are both wrong now, since it appears gmku is just fucking around.


There is one who got it right, and one who got it wrong. Let's set it straight:

Cantankerous = right
MadcrapLaughs = wrong

TheMadcapLaughs 12.14.2006 01:47 AM

haha, i love the internet messageboards, im not sitting here getting angry, im just being a smart ass, which i dont think is foreign to dees here boards, i dont care, this is my last post on this annoying subject, even if you make fun of me

gmku 12.14.2006 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous
i like how literally you think. the mark of a true american.

well shit. now i sound like gwyneth paltrow.


I detected a slight accent.

gmku 12.14.2006 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
haha, i love the internet messageboards, im not sitting here getting angry, im just being a smart ass, which i dont think is foreign to dees here boards, i dont care, this is my last post on this annoying subject, even if you make fun of me


Hrumph. Well. I never!

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadcapLaughs
haha, i love the internet messageboards, im not sitting here getting angry, im just being a smart ass, which i dont think is foreign to dees here boards, i dont care, this is my last post on this annoying subject, even if you make fun of me

you might also want to work on your definition of 'smartass'...
just a suggestion.

gmku 12.14.2006 01:50 AM

Any other thoughts, or did we exhaust this line of inquiry.

gmku 12.14.2006 01:55 AM

Velvet Underground might have picked him up. Now there's an interesting possibility.

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
what if the stones stayed together and were still making albums and touring?

what a coincidence! i've just got the latest photos of keith on tour.

 



i hear he mainlines embalming fluid these days.

gmku 12.14.2006 01:55 AM

Looking as fit as ever.

Inhuman 12.14.2006 01:58 AM

 

gmku 12.14.2006 01:59 AM

That would make a nice album cover, actually.

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 02:00 AM

let's just put it this way: if brian had prevailed, i wouldn't be listening to the stones right now.

gmku 12.14.2006 02:04 AM

Seriously? You don't like Between the Buttons, or Their Satanics' Majesties...?

SynthethicalY 12.14.2006 02:07 AM

Will anyone pay 500 dollars to see them in concert from way on top of some colliseum?

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 02:08 AM

the early stuff is alright save for satanic majesties. the only reason i've even got a copy of that ego-tainted shit is because i like the cover. i love beggars banquet, although brian was in the band at that time he really wasn't involved.

gmku 12.14.2006 02:10 AM

Really!? I love Satanic.

luxinterior 12.14.2006 02:11 AM

My favorite album is either Beggar's or Exile, probably.

I do think it's a good thing that Brian left when he did. And then died, boo-hoo.

gmku 12.14.2006 02:13 AM

I love BB through Exile, all that stuff. But that baroque period they had from Aftermath through Satanic also blows me away. Two very different bands, really.

luxinterior 12.14.2006 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I love BB through Exile, all that stuff. But that baroque period they had from Aftermath through Satanic also blows me away. Two very different bands, really.


But I think one thing that I absolutely cannot stand is when certain people claim that the band died with Brian. What-ever.

Cantankerous 12.14.2006 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
Really!? I love Satanic.

they were just jumping on the psychedelic bandwagon. while i am aware that they were doing a lot of acid during that time, i've done my fair share and i've never had any urges to make a shitty, flatulent record.

gmku 12.14.2006 02:18 AM

You're right, they were jumping on the bandwagon, no doubt about that. I still really love that album though.


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