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best free text html editor?
I used to always have crimson editor but it is a bit dated, is there a better option out there? I just have not looked in a long time...
:confused: dont need wysiwyg, drag and drop etc, just want text based, but would like multiple windows open, preview windows, colour coded for css, html, php, javascript, etc etc... open source non spyware prefered haha. |
Just learn some html. It's really easy.
here <title>PHOENIX RULES</TITLE> <bODY BGCOLOR=BLACK> <B>HI!</B><P> <CENTER><fONT COLOR=RED>WE IS SEXY</FONT></CENTER><P> <a HREF=http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip>cool board I post to</a><p><hr><p>Bye! |
I know html, Im looking for an editor to re write some of our website in. Editors make it easier to move things around or de bug by colour coding tags, css, script, etc, and preview as you're changing :)
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atsonic, bgcolor was last used probably in 1999.
it's been all about css since then. e.g., body { background-color:black; } don't get me started on font tags... stylesheet docs are separate files linked from header. this makes it easier to update styles while keeping structural html intact. notepad or text editor are fine-- preview on chrome w/ developer tools |
they really aren't fine, well, they're fine for smaller things, but as soon as you get past a page it starts to become tedious editing multiple pages and finding the same spots within them to replace or moving text around. Colour coding with editors and 'find/replace' functions and so on really help.
lol chrome. firefox used to have an okay html editor/preview window but I kept going back to crimson because it was just a lot better for having multiple pages open and editing at once. |
and actually I'm starting to have a lot of love for oldschool html pages you come across that haven't been edited since 97, because of its simplicity. There is only so much flashing moving disappearing dhtml one can take.
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vim
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i use dreamweaver but mostly for the templates
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vim seems too barebones for me these days :( I need to nerd back up.
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lol dreamweaver.
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lol this thread
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have you ever compared the time taken to move around a dreamweaver template to just write the thing? Unless you are doing epic websites of 50+ pages it's just a time drag.
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templates are cake to edit and very cost-effective in terms of time use i'm not talking about using a prefab template, but about template functionality & the ability to alter a site across the board, plus nested templates for subsections with their own structure-- it's good shit, a huge time saver, especially during a) initial tests ("should this be 2 or 3 column?"), b) redesigns if it's good and clean and standards compliant template it can live forever, though it remains dependent on the software. using a template to make a one-page site however would be stupid beyond words. though it could be helpful to someone who has no clue about coding. cs5's templates are pretty clean, considering. |
I hate dreamweaver.
If you're looking for a free one, try notepad++ if yr on Windows. On mac, I would highly recommend buying Coda if you're a more-than-casual coder. One of the best $100 I ever spent. Support is great, it's a no-bullshit program (no WYSIWYG or useless tools like Dreamweaver has), lightweight, beautiful. |
hay inhuman you have a message on facebook (how lame to type this stuff).
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wasnt having a go at using/creating templates, just dreamweaver to edit them/change the parts you dont like if you are using someone elses. |
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The templates feature can be nice if someone's REALLY used to using it, but myself and everyone I know usually don't have a problem just duplicating one source file many times to define different templates. I don't know how they do it these days since I avoid DW, but my impression from the CS3 version wasn't too too great. Adobe pwns with Photoshop and Illustrator. When they dabble with code, I've never liked their results |
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Dang man, I'm sorry! It got lost in space. I'll reply now :D |
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perfect!!! thank you! :D I love the run-> multiple pre loaded browsers.. |
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what I meant was I used to find the way dreamweaver handled opening/viewing/editing multiples to do this really clumsy and too many clicks. Honestly I haven't used it in 8 years though I was so turned off. |
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yeah, that's dependence on the software & can be a bitch to change, though search/replace can still work, esp. since their template tags are marked individually, it's possible. Quote:
it's not the code i like (i code all by hand, autocoding from WYSIWYG can eat a dick), it's just the ease of managing files & multiple sites from one panel. every now & then i just use cyberduck + text editor though . |
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oh, i wanna see this, thanks for the link true about the bazillion useless tools in DW--i use prolly 5% of the whole program. |
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Haha, that's what I found with most stuff on windows. That's why I use Notepad++ on my win partition :). And on mac, Coda is purdy.  |
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No prob! I almost sound like a salesman for them, but everything that Panic released that I have I'm really happy with, and it can be hard to find software that has all the features you want. I asked them once if they'd ever make graphics programs, but they're sticking to productivivity/coding/workflow stuff for now. |
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nice!! |
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I think Im a bit of a weirdo, because until I'm done I tend to fuck around with multiple pages looking at different views, and when I'm happy I consolidate and name all my sections and only then move the css into a seperate file. :/ I chage my mind all the time and have the seperate pages looking different to switch between until I decide. |
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I honestly think that shitty programs get made when people try to 'branch out' too far from what they are good at. adobe, google, microsoft etc.. |
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i havent updated my DW since i moved from pc to mac & didn't wanna pay for their cross-platform upgrade, since i no longer do this for money (taking care of clients is too high maintenance)-- so i've been running DW from bootcamp to check on my sites. this might just be what i need. im DLing one of their old versions to see if i can run it. |
dw is the gay. I would suggest anything but. heh.
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wow, that sounds headache-inducing. i'm a stickler for a content -> structure -> style workflow, otherwise i end up hurting the time/money equation in a horrible way. i used to love zeldman's designing w/ web standards 2nd edition, so just based on that i'd recommend the 3rd if you say you need to "nerd up". |
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I'm nearly in the same boat as you man. I rarely take on contracts anymore, as running all aspects - design, code, management, accounting, promo, etc... drains waaayyy too much time. I work as a manager for an e-commerce company now and get paid by the minute, and it's work from home, so I'm happy with this. Yeah, I find Coda doesn't differ too much from version to version, because they don't want to bog it down with features. You should be good with an older one :p |
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Good call, Zeldman is a BAWSE! I couldn't imagine hiring Happy Cog for a project... $75,000 starting price. |
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when i had a bunch of clients it was great to back up their site definition files in a remote storage & rebuild in case of catastrophe. also when migrating computers. i still like DW's site management functions-- very powerful if you run a ton of sites. it's not a "coding" program proper-- well, it is supposed to be, but i don't need it's coding functions. workspace layouts have also evolved a lot since 8 years ago. the cs5 trial i used had a lot of options. again, only worth the money if you run a bunch of sites. |
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mine is all for funsies really, and aesthetics/content are the same reason behind what I do, so time/money isn't worked out the same way :P |
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yeeehaww! |
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yeah, the $600 price tag is steep. I can see how it can be worth it for large companies that are hardcore pro-adobe and utilize most of the functionality DW provides. One thing I do like about DW is it's class/ID detection, reminds me of NetBeans. Also the color selector that pops up after typing in "color:" or "background-color:" was a nifty addition |
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oh, i thought you were looking to make some coin. i don't know why i assumed that. |
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it's the same color selector as PS, and if you run that in the background simply request that it displays the RGB in hex code. i mean if you miss it. well of course you already know this. just a contribution to the thread, ha ha ha. |
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it's just our art/creative website. maybe one day! but there is no client but us. |
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And that's when the best, optimal results shine through in projects :). |
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