power violence...
 

i love the power violence genre, once hardcore got lame and became a buncha jock bands singing about revengre, there were a few logical progressions from hardcore. some bands sped up their sound and tightened their approach and added solos and went the way of thrash, like dri, suicidal tendencies, cro mags, corrosion of conformity, etc... some bands added blast beats and got a hell of a lot louder and became grindcore, like sob, napalm death whatever. and then there were those bands who got bored with hardcore and slowed their shit down and got nosier, like flipper and the melvins.

some bands though, started playing faster, weirder, and added some elements of harsh noise, and started the power violence. i think deep wound and sob were maybe the first bands to influence this genre.

anyways, who cares, lets discuss power violence.

my fave power violence bands are:
dropdead
charles bronson
crossed out
spazz
fuck on the beach
man is the bastard/bastard noise
the endless blockade
rorshach (some dont consider them power violence, but i do)
neanderthal
asshole parade

i used to be big into power violence and shit, but not so much anymore. los crudos (if they count) are my favorite.

sure they count, theyre good too.

do you like limp wrist? i have their discography. i think they're pretty good.

i have the limp wrist discog too! awesome.

anyhoo, i count "power violence" as either punk or grindcore, depending on my mood.

br: you're going to get picked on here because of your retelling of the evolution of hardcore.

haha, i know, i kinda knew that while writing it. ive just been super interested by how hardcore splintered into so many other genres lately.

lately?!

i'm very interested in how there's good (incredibly good) hardcore and bad (incredibly horrible) hardcore and it has pretty much always been like that.

no, not lately like hardcore lately, i mean ive been interested in it lately, thinking about it recently, that sort of thing,

Larm

...watchmaker...
...mob 47...

YESSSSSSSSSS! POWER FUCKING VIOLENCE!

if you have any Neanderthal, point me in that direction.

Your list is more or less mine. The only thing I must add is INFEST.

edit: AND SLIGHT SLAPPERS!

i love infest too

yeah i liked it a lot a long time ago.

despise you was my favorite.

i just liked how power violence seemed like the epitome of hardcore punk, like it was as leftfield and extreme as the genre could get.

that might be wrong, but i duno.

definitely. I feel like it's the fastest, most intense form of punk there is.

I recently made friends with a guy who listens to a lot of crust and I can see why that genre might be arguably more epitomising. I think it just depends on how and why you listen to it.

What is ''power violence''?

Lärm are like the godfathers of PV , and they're awful.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_violence

yeah, I'm definitely more partial to the likes of Siege.

This thread has inspired me to listen to the No Comment discography.

flipper never changed they're sound, they started out slow and kept at it.

I have to challenge your basic assumption that all the hardcore bands started out from point A and the diverged - initially yeah there were a bunch of faster than fast bands, but at the same time there were slow bands and VERY slow bands and just plain freaked bands. The secret is that hardcore was essentially an offshoot of THE PSYCHEDELIC MOVEMENT. The superfast bands is what you are told to remember, but at the time there were many different bands with many different sounds.

What really happened is there were all these different sounds and they basically all congealed down into the few genre types you mention. There was also a strong communist influence in the early hardcore movement that got weeded out real quick. Thats why there is such a longing for Black Flag but not MDC.

no thats not what i meant. i just mean, within the hardcore scene, some bands diverged from the standard sound.

and mdc is amazing, and there is plenty of longing for them. not many bands in the history of rock n roll are loved like black flag.

there's a huge longing for mdc. they were even in american hardcore. i haven't met anyone that likes hardcore that doesn't like mdc.

yeah, mdc was one of the best hardcore bands, and millions of dead cops is one of the best hardcore records.

favorite 80s hardcore bands (top 10)
bad brains
black flag
mdc
dri
negative approach
minor threat
void
doa
ssd
the fiath

Power Violence is such a lame music term.

I'm just trying to impress that that within the scene, at the time, the idea there was a 'standard sound' is really an illusion projected backwards in time. There was a great range of sounds and ideas. A compilation like Cleanse the Bacteria which is unarguably hardcore demonstrated this variation. Maybe thats a little out of the time scale your interested in.

But even within that standard sound there was a range of sounds - Negative Approach didn't really sound like Gang Green, and neither of them sounded like Rattus or Septic Death.

I totally understand what you're saying, but I think the socalled generic hardcore was actually a later development.

What I remember was a period around 86-87 when all this weak shit started leaking in like lemonheads and great plains and replacements and honor roll and doggy style etc etc weak sound and weak aesthetically, but easy to sell on college radio and to clubs.

agreed

I thought this was about the US Navy and US military diplomacy trends since 1906, not about obscure musical subcultures...

why would we talk about that in the non music section?

surely you've noticed by now that I honestly dont pay attention to the stratification of this board, I just post and respond to threads.

That's what I do also.

I thought everyone did that.

"new posts".

No Le$$ are my favorite band of the powerviolence era...especially for that side from their split 7" with Laughing Dog.

Other faves from that era...

Suppression/Despise You split 7"
Sleestak side from split 7" w/ Lil Rudy G & the Chizmosos
Gasp "Dome Triler of the Puzzle Zoo People"

If you think the term "powerviolence" is lame, you should know that it came about as a joke which unexpectedly became recognized as a genre. I think it was around 1992 or so, and Slap a Ham Records had been releasing stuff like Neanderthal, No Comment, the Infest/PHC flexi, etc., for the last couple years. A reviewer for MRR was baffled at what to call this music and said, "What is this? Some kinda sonic powerviolence?" When the following issue of MRR appeared, it had an ad from Slap a Ham that said "Specializing in Sonic Powerviolence Since 1989." And then people started taking it seriously.

To be sure, there was something different about it. It was a unique derivation of an unprecedented mixture of styles...grind/death, thrash, hip hop-derived samplisticness and occasional rhythmic double-triplets, and a bit of (or in the case of Man Is the Bastard A LOT OF) progginess. Sometimes noise, too, as some of the best bands (esp. MITB and Suppression) descended into strictly noise bands.

So, I really wouldn't include Los Crudos. They were very much a revisionist band of Latin American bands of the original thrash/HC scene, such as Solucion Mortal, Ohlo Seco, Colera, La Pestilencia, etc.

Yeah , LC is just punk hc , just like Fuck on the Beach and Dropdead .

Solucion Mortal : love them , easily in my top 15 hc bands.

i just got the los crudos discog and from what little i heard it's bitchin. and charles bronson is bitchin as well if i recollect.

Thanks.

Slap A Ham Records ruled.

Power violence was a reeeeeeally really self-referential and jokey scene but it is also surprisingly awesome at times. There is a compilation called possessed to skate which had charles bronson, spazz, and despise you on it (I think assholeparade might have been on it too) that had like 4 or 5 songs by each band and it absolutely ruled

is there anywhwere i can hear some of this stuff online?

myspace.

oh man, early Suppression is FUCKING SICK! God dammit! I found the Suppression/Dahmer 7" at a record store for relatively cheap, so I bought it. Definitely did not let me down.

I've found a compilation on a blog called 'Complacency 7 INCH Comp' which has the following bands on it:

Default
Suppression
Systral
Suffer
Code 13
His Hero Is Gone


It was tagged 'power violence'. Pretty good it is too.