Syd Barrett invented Noise-Rock
 

Yes alright I know he didn't, but it got your attention.

Is anyone familiar with Syd Barrett's track No Man's Land ?, from my all-time favourite album The Madcap Laughs (1970). I read somewhere this song was one of the earliest British rock songs to properly embrace what would later be known as 'Noise-Rock'. I was just wondering if people would agree with this, and what earlier British studio tracks embraced feedback quite like Syd does here?

Jeff Beck and the Who used feedback earlier than that, I haven't heard the Syd Barret song.

EDIT: I think you meant in the studio, so I can't give a specific answer then.

Yes, your quite right, in the studio, i'll add that in then

keith rowe was before him and influenced him

Yes, but the emphasis here is on studio ROCK tracks not the avant-garde tinkerings. If this turns into 'but what is rock, really?' faces will be slapped.

The Sonics were way before Syd and noisy all over the place. The Who and The Kinks openly admited they were borrowing heavily from them.

the godz were in the 60's and they were definitley noisy.

and nihilist spasm band is an honest to god noise band, and they were in the 60's, why does everyone forget these guys.

Well, he swore up and down that he only wanted to discuss "rock" bands. Sun Ra was already doing some noisy stuff in the '50s if we're going to look at all genres, and the Futurists were making noise music in the 1910s-1920s.

Yeah, i wanted this discussion to be confined to British acts really, simply because I'd get a million posts saying "THE VELVET UNDERGROUND!" otherwise (and quite rightly so). The Nihilist Spasm Band were Canadian, and Sun Ra was from outer-space, right?

No Man's Land was one of the few songs from Madcap that I liked when I first listened to it. I liked how it was a bit more of a "rock" song than the other acoustic ones. Now though, my favourites are Dark Globe, Golden Hair, Octopus, Late Night. But No Man's Land is still good - better than If It's In You.

my bad, didnt read closely enough, sorry yall.

but the gods still apply.

godz*

Interstellar Overdrive is pretty good evidence for your noise rock theory.

You keep changing the rules! Next thing you'll say you only want it confined to guys who wore flowered and paisley shirts and drank acid instead of orange juice for breakfast!

I just listened to The Madcap Laughs today, and No Man's Land is great, lots of feedback/distortion and a really good solo. Now it's one of my favourite Syd songs.

i don't get the fuss about syd barrett, i mean he's ok

I went back in time and found a band of caveman who called themselves "uggghr uggh ughhh" who hit shit with sticks and screamed in front of large audiences of other cavemen with their arms folded and slowly nodding.


Uggghr Uggh Ughhh were the first noise rock band

unless you cound Reeeeeeeowwwwwwwarrahhhh, the Velociraptor trio that entertained all the other dinosaurs

syd barret was a great songwriter, just listen to piper at the gates of dawn. that ablum was miles ahead of all the other psych bands, it actually sounded like an ablum inspired by acid, as oppose to all the other super happy psych shit goin on at the time. people whove done acid know its not all flowers and giggles and kaleidescopes on that shit, it can be one lonely, ugly expericne givin any arong stimul. not to mention, without syd, floyd got progressivley worse with every ablum. in fact theres not one floyd record i really like post-piper.

Was this post inspired by acid too?

maybe it was...

Alot of Pink Floyd's best (imo) post Syd music wasn't released as official albums. The soundtrack to Zabriskie Point has some amazing ideas. There are also bootlegs that have some hard to find studio jams, like: "Rain in The Country" "Baby Blue Shuffle in D minor" and others, some of which are untitled, which really showcase the bands ability to spontaneously create spine-shivering beautiful psychedelic-tinged jams that communicate a tremendous amount of image inducing (not lsd induced necessarily) music.
I guess it comes down to personal taste in the end though.

Ha ha, I'd totally forgotten about this thread.

I agree, theres some bootlegged material which is very good from Pink Floyd. However I think Pink Floyd were very good at selecting their best material for their LPs.

Am I alone in thinking the More soundtrack ranks amongst the band's finest?

White Noise - An Electric Storm, from 1969 I believe.

Has ambient, doom, drone, almost Lydia Lunch-ish no wavey type stuff, electronic, noise, and pretty much everything else you can think of on it.







Download:
http://rapidshare.com/files/3562355/...-_192.rar.html

It's a future "classics album" post of mine.

Ha ha, my buddy who owns my local/favourite record shop described this as the "shittest LP" he'd ever heard.

He's retarded then. Sorry. Opinions are opinions, but there's no way anyone who seriously appreciates music could ever call it the "shittest".

Yeah, I know. The guys favourite band is Motorhead. He's a fairly straight-ahead rock fan, and I realise what he hates I could well like. But still, he works in a record shop, so when he talks, people listen.

Explode the Soul into Holographic Sound Eternal, March 9, 2006 By W. T. Hoffman "artist and musician"

 

(Williampsort, Pa United States) - See all my reviews

 

 

OK, I've had my share of creepy experiences with music, naturally psychedelic music, and my mind. I'm an explorer of the mind, a willing fool who will delve into any uncharted territory, to find that ultimate SOUL-BRAIN experience. I came across this band's name, thru MOJO magazine. It had an article, listing the 50 most mind blowing LPS of all time. (Number one was Capt. Beefheart's TROUT MASK--another CD I had had a bizarre experience back in art school, in the 80s.) Anyway, this CD was listed number TEN. WHA??? THE TENTH MOST PSYCHEDELIC ALBUM OF ALL TIME? I"VE NEVER HEARD OF IT? MUST BUY..MUST BUY. Well, the first time i heard it, i was impressed. The studio effects, for the time (1968) were amazing. There are some wild songs, with twists and turns during the more "structured" song like selections, that really helt my attention, and tickled my imagination, and freaked me even during my everyday conscousness. Apparently, the LP had been a labor of love, or some obsession like love, built up almost note by note, over the period of a year or more. Talk about ambient electronics....for that sound alone, you could mine this piece of art for years. As for early Pink Floyd, for comparison, it sounds far beyond what they were doing at the time. In fact, having a collection of music, that I tend to think of, as the "MOST PSYCHEDELIC MUSIC EVER RECORDED", I'd have to put this CD up there, at the top. So anyway, the legend behind the LP is interesting. Chris Blackwell, AKA Island Records, gave the electronic wizard behind this LP, about 3000 pounds, to make the album. After a YEAR, Blackwell wanted product, and when he had seen they only had 30 minutes of this mind labaryth recorded, he DEMANED a finished album, in a matter of days. So, that is what spawned the most FRIGHTENING, SCARY, PSYCHEDLIC, HOLOGRAPHIC, KALIDASCOPIC song of all time---BLACK MASS (ELECTRIC STORM IN HELL). Unlike many of the other songs, after the invocation to SOMETHING DARK AND OBSCURE, the 7 minute track is just instrumental. (Altho you might experience it as lasting far far longer. You know how time dialates, as you approach the speed of light.) I can't discribe what you hear, tho alot of it is percussion and freak out screaming, with electronic effects, layers up, and spinning between the speakers. What you REALLY hear, the title best sums up. Now, it's not BLACK SABATH freaky, or heavy metal kiddy music for your Le VAY infacuation. The title BLACK MASS, is just part of the scare tactics. It's not demonic, if you are worried about that on moral grounds. This is a song, that would give anyone the creeps, if you just LISTEN to it. But, if the planets are lined up just right, and the incense is just right, the setting just right, and the brain is vibrating in OPEN mode, then you are going to be sent into TOTAL BRAIN FRY FREAKLAND. Somehow, its encoded into the music, and I find that INCREDIBLE. Its just frightening, for some reason. Even with the sophistication of modern 48 channel digital mixing boards, computer controlled volumn sliders, preprogrammed multi-channel panning, 5.1 sound coming at you from all around, nothing I've heard approaches the incredible sound found on this song. (and the whole album, really.) Sometimes, having everything available for you, at the touch of a button, provided you have this month's computer, and this month's program running in it, limits you more, than the CREATIVE PUSH you get, from using limited technology, to produce something 20-30 years ahead of its time. After all, even with all the technology we have today, right now we dont have the technology to fly back to the moon, or produce another Sgt. Pepper. So, who would like this CD? I would say, if you are into some of PINK FLOYD, ZAPPA, freaky Krautrock (BRAINTICKET's 1st LP), Capt. BEEFHEART, early Velvet Underground, Lydia Lunch's 13.13, the best of MERCURY REV, or CAMPER VAN BEETHOVAN. So much of the way music works you over, is personal, and subjective. However, when you start to read, or hear, many of the same discriptions given to certain LPS, or people "FREAK OUT" to the same LPs, then you might want to investigate. OR NOT, CHICKEN!!!! If you can't take it, go pull out your ABBA Lps, and hug a stuffed animal. PS--HIGHLY PSYCHEDELIC. Mixing this music with other psychedelic substances can be dangerous, even deadly. Headphones may increase this effect dramatically. Do not listen while operating machinery, driving UFOs, or attempting to chew gum. ISLAND RECORDS not responsible for any mental meltdowns from listening to this album. Listen at your own risk. (RISK IT!)

God, I love More. But I love A Saucerful of Secrets and Meddle more.

Saucerful of Secret maybe, but More beats meddle in my eyes. I enjoy playing The Nile Song to friends who've got Pink Floyd down as meandering boring drivvle; that track is seriously fierce!

amazing album, ive always loved white noise

I love the Nile Song too! A great one to play on the guitar, as well. (I first heard it on the "Relics" comp LP years ago).