Grunge!!!!!!!!!
 

ok, let's talk about music again!!!

grunge sucks, it sucks, it's garbage, it's bullshit. that's if by grunge you mean nirvana and mudhoney and skin yard and and all that... "gee bro!!! let's rip off the stooges!!!" "fuck yeah bro!!!" out of all those bands, the only real artists were soundgarden*.

i rather listen to candlebox, sponge, collective soul, live, et al. to be honest with you, in fact, if by "grunge" you mean alternative radio rock of the 90's then i love grunge. as far as disposable, catchy music with ok riffs go, these guys were great songwriters and that's perhaps nirvana's greatest legacy and the one that goes unnoticed the most (see '*' below for more on nirvana).


*i said soundgarden were the true artists out of that scene, nirvana, were craftsmen, they dedicated themselves to the song, sometimes succeeding, sometimes not. of course, hüsker dü, replacements, dino jr, squirrel bait, etc. had already done that without mainstreaming their shit.

furthermore, soundgarden were the only band in that scene that always pushed for the music, whether they tried new things or tried to be accomplished in their respective instruments.

and melvins don't count, just look how fast they decided to split town to be a real band!

I don't totally agree with you. Mudhoney didn't start off bullshit. They just became that way. "Superfuzz" was patchy but good, the S/T was (and I'm well aware that I'm the only person in the entire universe who thinks this) damn brilliant. After that they went up their own backsides, until the most recent album, which was hopefully the beginning of a new kickass era.

Nirvana wrote some nice pop songs.

You forgot to mention Black Flag in the ripped-off artists category. Everyone always mentions Husker Du and Pixies, but Black Flag seem to get overlooked, probably because their pop hooks were a bit more obscure.

I don't totally agree with you, either.

Nevermind blows me away, as does Bleach and In Utero, though to lesser degrees.

Superfuzz hits the spot sometimes.

Grunge gave birth to a lot of ugly music but there was good stuff, too. Sonic Youth's Dirty is a bit grunge-influenced.

Be careful about using such a broad stroke.

Wow, another thread about grunge!

Let's lock this one down. Is there an admin around?

There is no need to pull out the big guns here.

grunge is boring

^ this.

I don't mind Nirvana and Mudhoney but it's just bland to me. Soundgarden are awful.

Grunge. Yawn?

mud-fucking-honey.




its all you'll ever need.

mudhoney is the best out of all the grunge bands and nirvana are okay at times.

dont label nirvana as grunge.

just dont.

bleach yes

but otherwise no.


when i think grunge i either think tad, mudhoney or soundgarden. those are the 'grunge' bands for me. so only one of the famous grunge '4' can i label as true grunge. soundgarden pwns.


but, grunge is boring.


mudhoney rules all.

Ha ha!

Grunge music does not exist.
Grunge style and art however does.

like i've said before, mudhoney's "brilliant" moments was a 7" and an ep plus some songs scattered around. yes, they were ripping off the stooges but then, they did what the stooges themselves did, which was taking raw garage/rock n' roll, turning the intensity up and write a damn good song in the process; after that, they became lazy and generic (with critics praising every fart coming out of mark arm's asshole).

and yes, but more than ripping off black flag, they pretty much enabled them to do that, not so much in sound but in attitude: long hair, guitar solos, stoner rock influences.

and i put it in broad fucking terms because i wanted to spark some MUSIC CONVERSATION here.

anyway, i'm going to put on truly, brb.

Quit putting it down, 'neurotic.

Long live grunge!!!

at this point, i'd like to raise another point.

since punk, there has been an intense focus on a geographical place for music to happen, why do you need a scene to appreciate a band? why the focus?

I don't think I ever followed a scene when looking for bands. Yay for me! Though ask me anything about new music and I have no idea. I'm behind the times.

i never followed a scene to hear new music, but i guess i was apart of a scene in the late 90's/early 00's. i think scenes are just fine to an extent. it's just a bunch of friends hanging out, having fun and listening to music and talking about music. of course, scene drama always sucks, but there's always the bad with the good.

i don't know shit about new music either.

i was just agreeing with everyone that posted above me. you should yell at them, too.

true.

scenes suck though; just like everyone said, theres no need to listen to music just because its in that scene... whatever.

i dont think mudhoney are ripoffs though; they do sound kind of like the stooges but i dont really care; theyre awesome.

Again, I must ask: Does anybody on music message boards really like music?

Seems to me not. Or at least not much.

i love mudhoney. and i really like in utero. and i hate all post-badmotorfingr soundgarden. but weve already had this arguement before. mudhoney also has tons of good split cd's. their splits with haloofflies and the cows are both great. theyre both put out by amphetamine reptile, its cool hearing these crazed noise rock bands on the same record as a band like mudhoney. anyways, id rather hear bands ape the stooges shit than have them ape the sound of 90 percent of other bands anyday.

why do you ask this? because someone doesn't agree with your favorites?

Yeah, grunge sucks. What a completely moronic scene.

I always thought Blur - Song 2 was hilarious because it seemed to parody grunge's stupidity to a t.

Also, why do people say things like "grunge music isn't a genre"? People always say things like that.. "No wave isn't a genre! It was a SCENE!" "There's no such thing as NOISE ROCK!" Etc. People get so fucking tore up over genres. Who gives a fuck?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge

Looks like a genre to me!

gee, I wonder why there's suddenly a topic about grunge ? Could it be the recent simpsons episode that sent you off on a bitch rant?

people still watch the simpsons?

I just read the synopsis of it. It completely contradicts the earlier episodes which showed Homer and Marges earlier lives. It doesn't work at all with the canon of the Simpsons

I say this because you look at the bands that are labeled grunge and maybe two or three even sound simmular. I just consider Grunge more of an era of music than a genre.

Whatever Nirvana were, Kurt was a great songwriter. Someone who just had the gift of writing a tune whether it was complicated or just using two chords.

I never disliked Soundgarden by any means, but I never really got into them, although a sibling was into them alot. I'm not really a fan of Chris Cornell, his voice is not my kinda voice.

As for Mudhoney, it's the same kinda thing, just minus the voice thing.

I've seen every episode of the Simpsons...

up to about 2 seasons ago. That show sucks now.

Nirvana.. I think "Bleach" and "Incesticide" are great albums and definitely pretty fucking grunge. But "grunge" as a whole was moronic and ridiculous.

Yeah if I had to give grunge a sounds it'd be "Bleach".

yes grunge sucked. but in the late 80's, prior to the explosion of nirvana pearl jam (puke) and alice in chains (double puke), there were definitley some cool bands around seatlle and it was cool because there had always been good tunes comin out of seattle and then all of a sudden people noticed seattle and im a rambling moron who is defending a music genre that i dont even like besides one band and one other record (and the mevlins, as was said before, are not grunge)

Alice in chains is good shit, in my opinion.

Mudhoney are pretty good

The U-Men (though the "grunge" tag is debatable) are fucking awesome.

there's a grunge episode in the simpsons?

(besides "homerpalooza" featuring classic rocker peter framton, hip hoppers cypress hill, second generation no wavers sonic youth plus smashing pumpkins).

and the reason i started this thread is for things like this:


as in let's talk about music again!!!

alice in chains is just a motley crue who missed the 80's and changed their sounds to move with the times and inexplicanly became millionaires because of it.

I always considered Nirvana Pop, I never considered them rock or anything. However whenever a band no matter what genre they be r&b, rock, country, etc. I always considered them pop when they hit mainstream. Two me there is two types Pop and non-Pop, all music is susceptible to being pop. It is just when it is released to the mainstream that matters.

alice in chains were so intense.