I hate frenchs
 

53% of the frenchs just elected Nicolas Sarkozy president. They elected a racist that controls medias plus police. I hate them.

Oh dear
France and the USA: The only G8 nations more right wing than the UK

does this mean that freedom fries will go back to being french froes in america now?

the thing gets me is that sarkozy wants to have a closer relationship with america, and yet a hell of a lot of americans hate the french

i blame bayrou for being a priss and not telling his followers to vote for royal, dispite the fact he made it public he wasn't voting for sarkozy, i wonder how quickly the buyers remorse will set in

the future looks more bleak everyday

At least they can agree with you.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070427/...nce_dislike_dc

Jesus sometimes I am so dissapointed in humanity.

the problem with royal as i see it is that she didn't have very clear plans and she might have further wrecked the economy-- of course how "wrecked" is an economy with the lowest poverty rate? france has a much better standard of living than the U.S., but it does put a lot of hurdles on entrepreneurs, and it has very tricky labor laws. the unemployment is high and a lot of smart french people go start companies in california or work for british companies.

the other huge problem france faces is the growing muslim ghettos where poverty and crime are concentrated. this is a product of their colonial heritage but france doesn't have a history of practicing "multiculturalism" as the u.s. (france is historically not a nation of immigrants), and so there are some biggish cultural clashes going on.

sarkozy sounds like a major prick but royal was too wishy washy to offer a real alternative-- she made too much of being a woman a woman a woman she can do things different cos shes a woman-- bollocks, come up with a solid plan & show you're capable and stop calling for the independence of quebec and maybe people will see you as capable of running a country.

about french-american relations, france and the u.s. have a long history of good relationships since the war of independence (which would have been lost without french support), the lousiana purchase (napoleon's gift to america), alliances during two world wars and the cold ward (sure france withdrew from nato but still). only recently antagonism has arisen, first when chirac started testing nukes on the pacifin in the 90's, and there was a boycott of french goods, and lately when they opposed what everyone today knows was a FUCKING RETARDED iraqi invasion.

besides diplomatic relations have nothing to do with the quasi-illiterate and ignorant masses; sure some rednecks may "hate the french", but they have no say in... anything.

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ps- i love france. i hope this is only a case of temporary madness.

Royal was hot. That's all I really know about the whole thing.

France is a lot like the UK in immigration aspects, the muslim ghettos and such. I just wish the UK had a real election like this, where politicians actually stand for something instead of just having elections for the sake of elections.

I feel quite sad tonight.

Sarkozy (who got on the cover of a specific weekly magazine 20 times in a 11 month period) (who always appeared with tons of people around him, contrery to Royal and Bayrou who looked like common people, human beings, not rock stars like...) made his first speeches. He clearly seemed pleased and spoke open-heartedly. Good parts in his speech, which I can't or don't want to recall since I didn't vote for him. I think he was honest tonight, because he felt loved. But it won't last and I guess he'll rush back to his methods at the first "problem".

The man stated laws, but didn't give any means to apply these, nor talked to the ones who had to apply the laws (just to check if said laws could be applied) - check, you who read French, what he did about the clandestines this summer http://www.cimade.org/actus/comm117.htm.

The crab key resident's analysis concerning Royal fits with mine.
The socialists didn't budge during these five years.

It's odd to feel shitty for something I haven't personally chosen.

Last time, when it was Chirac, I felt more irritated though for I didn't understand how his party had allowed him to run for presidency with all the mistakes he did.
Fact is, Sarkozy made no mistakes during his campaign, just lead the violent politics he appealed to.

What surprised me the most during this exhausting period of time is the fact that among every person I knew, none voted for the man, appart from my ex-boss who took sides 2 months after I left the job (we had no opportunities to talk about it).

I visited some boards here and there on the internet. Everywhere I went, Sarkozy was clearly unappreciated (on this thread too, for the moment at least).

Only once I saw a whole thread packed with far-right-methodes-craving messages, on an online news board (of a supposedly left wing journal), flooded with anti-socialist diatribes. This scared me, I can't tell you how. It was when the police and the youth had a clash at the gare du nord. The scariest was that I felt that once some readers take control, people feeling a different way leave and start their own board, where everybody will agree with everyone, leaving no room for those who think differently (whatever the side).

This is sad.

"Incidents" already reported here and there.

Another sad thing.
It's true.
I've got lots of friends who feel that way.
They don't like the people they don't talk to in this country, forgetting everyone they know who share most of their ideas, dumping them along the way.

This is a bit of a let down. (the election that is)

At first I thought this thread might be about French's Mustard.

Tend to agree with what !@.... said. France is in the middle of a very volatile period, following riots in Paris last year, strained diplomatic relations - not just with the US but with much of Europe too - economic uncertainty, etc.

While I'm instinctively sympathetic with Royal's politics, she lacked the dynamism necessary to face these challanges. My biggest fear is that, under Sarkozy, France confronts its problems by ignoring causes and simply concentrates on clamping down on effects.

The way in which he deals with the issue of, for example, muslim extremism could have major repercussions on the way countries like Britain confront such issues. If by taking a particularly hardline attitude he is seen to be having an effect, it'll put pressure on other governments to follow suit.

Needless to say the rest of Europe will be watching Sarkozy's every move with great interest.

Me too. I like it okay, but prefer brown mustard.
Kroger makes a nice brown mustard.

Actually, that very quietly happened in the Capitol cafeteria before the Dems even won the election. Mission accomplished, after all.

if that were the case, i'd totally agree. i hate mustartd. and mayo. and ketchup.

Barney: "I'm just saying that when we die there's going to be a planet for the French, a planet for the Chinese, and we'll all be a lot happier."
Lisa: "Mr.Gumble you're upsetting me"
Barney: "No I'm not"

Barney: My name is Barney Gumble, and I'm an alcoholic.
Lisa: Mr. Gumble, this is a Girl Scout meeting.
Barney: Is it? Or is it that you girls can't admit you have a problem?

French people are assholes. It's not a surprise.
They forgot this government they've reelected put us in the shit we are at the moment. They have no memory. We had those bastards during the last 5 years. More enequalities, more violence, more intolerance, more sectarianism...
Even in Royal's province, where I'm from, defeat was an evidence, 'cause of media position. The fight was enequal.
She wouldn't have revolutionize our country, but it would have been better than the crapy perturbed dwarf we have for president, now.
It's the first presidential election where there are riots against the winner in some cities...
My friends, we are in a big shit for 5 years again...

connards!

et ta soeur!


sorry, no, not ta soeur. she seems like a nice girl.

please go on.

L'attente d'attente d'attente, où avez-vous rencontré ma soeur vous bâtard ?

tu a mis la photo sur le sonic youth forum, con des cons. :D

salope! je ne rappèle faire telle chose.

jico, ton français est aussi à chier que mon anglais, grande gueule !

I think Sakozy benefited from the aging population (hence his supporters being the likes of Johnny Halliday, Mireille Mathieu :eek:, Enrico Macias, Pascal Sevran :mad:...).

je pense que tu etais soul... je me rappelle de la photo de ta soeur. peut-etre j'avais mal compris.

putain, pas des accents ici...

carajo, se me olvida

Agree with you, Torn, but it's 'cause of old reactionnaries in that case.
I'm from Melle, you must know this town, now ( I know you're from Charente, man). There are many oldies here, but they mainly voted for Royal, because they tought she could change something.

le défaut est de mon enseignant de français. elle nous a fait à chanter jacques brel pendant les classes. je l'ai détestée. putain de merde...

I feel sorry for you, man...:(
Brel, it's a bit hard.

je vais échouer ma classe française

je suce aux langues d'étude

Yeah, you really suck...

no argument there

Sorry, I just believe what you said.:o
edit : I was kidding, you're not so bad.

who were you for? Ségo?

I 'm still for her.
And you, if you had the choice between a perturbed liberal dwarf and a proud and nice social democrat woman, which one would you choose ?

Partly : a friend of mine told me her mother, a widow, had received a visit, while she was in her garden. A neighbour who wasn't usually around showed up. The man knew my friend's mother was a widow. He came to her, talked about how insecure their place was (no tall buildings, nada) and mentioned something that happened a couple of years ago. An old woman, who lived alone, had been assaulted and raped in her house and eventually died. Why did he mention that? To make sure the widow would go and vote for Sarkozy. This man who showed up is a member of the local UMP (the political party of our future president - who enjoyed his victory in a rich restaurant with his rich pals).
The woman has problems sleeping now.
That guy's visit didn't make her change her mind, she always was right-winged my friend told me, but the man really wanted to avoid chances.

Now, my friend has two uncles living in different little towns in the area. Both being singles. And guess what? Both received a visit from a guy as old as they were, talking about bad things that had happened...

So, yes, the old ones may have voted for Sarkozy more than they did for Royal.

But one thing shook me. My nephew is 15, so he doesn't vote. I asked him, in april, who he would have voted for. I believed he would have said Royal or Bayrou, for that's what we have in the family, with some Voynet or Besancenot (from my oldest aunt, 78). But he said Sarkozy. When I asked him why, he said he had no idea.
The boy saw him every day on TV 5 years in a row. It's the only politician he remembers - let's not forget that Sarkozy took control of almost everything that could be said good during Chirac's second presidency (dumping the CPE on Villepin). On TV he's in the middle of a crowd, people gather to meet him. That's how his image is built, whereas his oponents aren't as sexy (well, I liked Royal's looks on the night of the debate). I think that worked on many people.

Bertrand - it's not so shocking when politicians rely on their media profile as opposed to actual heartfelt beliefs. We have the same problem here in the UK.

indeed, Silvio Berlusconi was even worse cause he owned a tv network and propagated his agenda, and after elected took control of the state run channels to really tighten his grip