Nine Inch Nails
 

I didn't feel like looking for old threads because frankly the search feature totally sucks..

discuss.

Downward Spiral is one of the most perfect albums beginning to end. Shrug.

Back in the day when it was all fresh and new I really couldn't appreciate it because I didn't like electronic aspects in music. The closest I could tolerate was some KMFDM and even that got too electronic for me.. i only listened to abrasive and obnoxious guitar music

I liked elements of NIN, I liked some songs. I liked things Trent Reznor was working on with other bands.

Its only more recently have I become interested in their back catalogue and digging up what is now old or classic material. and I am finding myself so much more enjoying it than I was able to twenty years ago. I still think it could use more guitar work, but that is generally my bias. However I can better appreciate the electronic elements from where I am at with music now. Indeed I am particularly digging things especially Broken and Pretty Hate Machine though I am still convinced that Antichrist Svperstar is Trent Reznor's down low best record

I am actually really enjoying With Teeth at the moment

With Teeth is excellent. It is def my favorite post-Fragile NIN album.

nin were amazing and made futuristic modern rock/electronic music, something that almost everyone seems to have abandoned as a worthwhile ideal by about 2000.

also nin and manson were expounding a worldview that seems to have been almost totally lost in pop culture now - a kind of pessimistic and dark revelling in humanities sickness but also exhilaratingly admitting to being in love with the pleasure and addictions that keep the sick show going. it wasn't about being guilty and self denying or optimistic. did the wars and recessions of the 00's wipe out expressions of this psychological in american culture?

SF, check out the live album And All That Could Have Been. Great setlist.

currently on The Fragile.. wow. im impressed, this like Broken is the kindcof guitar work i wanted more of from NIN

i was reading an article recently that talking about how 9/11 scared musicians away from the darker sides of music that were peaking in mid-to-late 1990s..

music was definitely darker then, more nihilistic, more abrasive.

^I agree, and I felt like it was something you could feel at the time. I big shift in tone. You can feel pre-9/11 and post. I mean, pre- shit like Limp Bizkit and any kind of immature frat punk was super popular. Post- it seems like that shit just was ignored. People got more into folksy type shit. Everything felt more serious.

I would love to read that article. got a link?

what happen was the Strokes and The White Stripes just like Nirvana killed the hair metal. now you have goofy synthesized versions of those bands that don't register.

this is a fair point too.

i honestly don't even remember where i was reading it.. something about changes in pop music.. possibly theringer.com ?

this always happens with all music. i suppose the 90s merging of grunge and industrial which influenced most of bands including radio bands had peaked and reached its course in popular appeal. after all it started out as an underground sound, it exploded because it resonated with so many people.

1994-1999 was the peak of industrial influenced hardcore and electronica and it was only natural that something new replaced it.

can i just say fuck the fucking strokes and the white stripes. they and every band like them were utter fucking garbage.

sure. you can say it. just saying that's what happened.

how it happened i dont know, i guess evil always wins

If you think NIN needed more guitars, you haven't heard Broken.

"They" were just such an exhilarating presence back in the day. They were all over the place musically, with albums like Pretty Hate Machine, which was in the company of Depeche Mode and New Order, Broken, which was more metal than anything Pantera ever did, and of course The Downward Spiral, which really opened the door for mainstream appreciation of electronic music.

Also, Trent had some downright CLASSIC singles back in the '90s. "Closer" was in many ways the definitive Alternative single, as it contained really "edgy" and messed up lyrics, but had a disco beat and a real minimalist production... Remove the cursing and the video and it could have been a #1 Madonna song.

Also, the non-radio version had extended movements and stanzas... It was sprawling, but tight as fuck, even at the 7 minute mark.

And "The Perfect Drug" was just a killer acid/techno track -- befitting an Aphex Twin remix track and remix maxi single, but again it had pure pop in its veins, and it was catchy and funky as hell.

Really great shit. I started to dislike their singles when "We're in this together" came out (that was a bloated ass song), but most of the rest of The Fragile is great.

At first I didn't even try to listen to With Teeth and Year Zero, because I was in a real elitist phase, and those singles didn't have the "magic" of what I dug growing up. But eventually I came around. All those latter day NIN records are really quite strong, and The Slip was a surprisingly great album (and a surprise album in generall if I remember correctly).

I'm a lifer NIN fan. Like Nirvana, that stuff just grabbed me by the balls when k was an angsty little dude. I always admired Trent's range. Like touring with Bowie. It was like the "mainstream" version of Sonic Youth opening for Neil Young and Crazy Horse, only it was more palatable to fans of both artists. I caught them live together actually.

I was unimpressed by Hesitation Marks, but it's not like that's going to change my feelings about NIN in general. Really one of the best "big" acts of the '90s. Also got me into Aphex Twin and Autechre (and Plaid). Honestly I can pretty much thank Trent for sparking my enduring interest in and love of electronic music of all varieties.

Glad to hear some positive NIN talk. :)

I still think White Stripes were a great band. Honestly. I don't care how uncool that makes me seem. It took me forever to actually appreciate them, and I was a hold out until well after Elephant came out. But I saw them live for the second time somewhere around '04 and they blew the roof off the place.

Then I revisited their records and I was surprised by how many of the bands I loved are reflected in their music. Stooges? Nirvana? Pixies? Rolling Stones? Beatles? Modern Lovers? The Fall? All of the above. They made great jangly, occasionally even ass-kicking, rock music.

Strokes had a promising ear for melody, but they fizzled early and they've been an embarrassment to music ever since. The White Stripes were one of the great bands of their time. Just my opinion. Not a favorite band or anything, but definitely a solid one.

the white stripes were a band that i dont care about or need to hear up until about 1977 when they should have stopped existing

and thats being generous because really it should have been 1959

Nine Inch Nails are one of the few bands I want to see live before Trent ends the band and just goes to scoring movies and video games full time.

thinking possibly you missed this post?

Too busy writing about how great the White Stripes are, I suppose.

I listened to Pretty Hate Machine, along with the Cure Mixed Up, for my entire trip to Puerto Rico after I graduated in 1991. My dad had passed away that February and it was a weird time. Hearing the Reznor getting into it really helped me out.

I wold go to the freak nightclub in Houston, Numbers, and dance to insane music, and they would play that NIN Get Down Make LOve with the crazy video showing clips from Clockwork Orange. That shit was awesome.

I stopped giving a fuck about NIN soon after that. I missed the danceability of their earlier stuff....

i never gave much fucks about NIN, i mean i had checked out their records and heard their singles. i didn't not like them, but i never had enough interest to own any of their records. however recently i realized i should give them another go and was pleasantly surprised that where i am now with music, i like NIN. i picked up some of their records recently, particularly enjoying The Fragile. it seems to be more of all the elements that i always liked about NIN

eh, NIN is ok I guess. whatever floats the boat.

and yes, The Fragile is a little more interesting.

Yep. Well, not "missed" ... I read the opening comment through the guitar comment, knew there was more, deliberately didn't read it cause I wanted to say things. But yeah. Fragile. Good.

Doesn't even make sense man. Wrote about White Stripes after ignoring SFAD's other posts. You're getting so lazy with your disses. Can't even be bothered to check the timeline.

Oh and how dare you say I wrote about White Stripes, oh man I am so mad and ashamed or whatever that you referenced a thing that I did intentionally

it's under my impression that Serverian is much less of a tight ass than some of you here. the dude likes what he likes while the some of you up the snob level to non-restricted levels while proving everything and nothing to only your own ego. I mean, are we proving that the White Stripes suck more than NIN just because of an imaginary time line from an advancement of a supposed law of genre progression? because that's what im getting here.

fuck it, i'll say it...White Stripes were a much better band. I don't need Trent and his fake whinny cry baby tortured shit. he knew what was coming and just added the angst and Wax Trax records to his New Order techno pop.

Sev is passionate. But not a tight ass. I dont think he is even the snob he wants to be cuz he usually feels bad if he disses a band i like haha. Thats my dude.

I was in his corner, I just worded it wrong.

think im arguing with myself. NIN vs. White Stripes. that kinda mixing is like eating green beans with a glass of chocolate milk. throw up fest.

neither is progressive because music is not supposed to be progressive. it's vibrations and heart beats. sex and real pain. love and hate. art verses pissing yr name in the snow.

you're making it too easy for him/her/it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xg-Wk2DEXs


I really got tired of seeing Closer on MTV because they played that vid more than Buddy Holly. like boring Depeche Mode with grotesqueries. "Head like a Hole" consolidated that wet dream if Trent and that guy from Ministry laid in a bed of roses sucking each other dicks to Big Black records stopping to pause for a cocaine hit while playing Hamburger Lady. then getting 'riot like' eating each others ass during Blue Monday.

I know you were in his corner bruh. You're my dude too.

I'm doing nothing. Not making "it" easy, not making "it" hard. Not sure what "it" even is, but he/she/it just drops dumb insults with no thought whatsoever. Has nothing to do with me.

I'm gonna be honest, I do suffer from snobiness, but it's not something I'm proud of. Snobiness is a really unattractive trait, and when I find myself being a snob I try really hard to real it in.

Because liking music really is just about liking music. There are no rules about coolness. Nothing isn't okay. And I really don't like hurting people's feelings, or being rude to people.

Also, I don't think there's any kind of White Stripes vs. NIN thing going on here. Genteel just had to pass some insult gas and it wasn't very pungent. Moving on...

"Something I Can Never Have" is perfect.

stop being a pussy. someone insults you insult them back.

you let him talk to you like that? fuck that!!!

Genteel is a big dick sucker asshole faggot elitist. I said it. doesn't hurt me. I bet it will effect him somehow or someone else. I know it will because I said so.

Pepper is a big softy down deep. I know that.