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noumenal 01.24.2007 12:59 PM

The New and Improved Classical Music Thread
 
Likes, dislikes, reasons.

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Rob Instigator 01.24.2007 01:19 PM

Mahler I love because he took the full symnphony to it's limits. he created music that relied on so much depth of instrumentation and intensity. His symphionies are over the top and fabulicious.

Beethoven is a dope moterfucker, one of my favorite, and his concertos are suiblime. I am a huge fan of concertos where the composer works to create a supremely technically challenging yet beautiful pioece of music for the soloist to play. Here is Beethoven's Triple concerto (violin, cello, piano) with YoYo Ma on cello, Itzhak Perlman on violin and Daniel Barenboim (also conducting the Berlin Philharmonic) in a fantastic performance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e01FtIEeXEU

I love so much classical music.

I love Bartok, whose quartets are some of the most dissonant sonic youth-esque classical music I have ever heard. bela Bartok rules all.
here is a movement from a bartok string quartet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS247Y9BSo8


I love Wagner. His Operas are epic and massive and complex and beautiful and demanding and just exquisite. Here is palcido Domingo as Parsifal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3FlSLRzoGY

fugazifan 01.24.2007 01:31 PM

a friend of mine used to play violin proffessionally. she's like 19 and a month or so ago daniel barenboim called her on her cell phone, and asked if she want to come to the states and play at carnegie hall. she told him no. because she doesnt play anymore...

i love classical music.
beethoven, mahler, shoshtokovich, stravinsky, dvorak, copland. i love em all. i'll write a more informative post later, i got some work to so...

noumenal 01.24.2007 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I love Bartok, whose quartets are some of the most dissonant sonic youth-esque classical music I have ever heard. bela Bartok rules all.
here is a movement from a bartok string quartet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS247Y9BSo8


I'm writing my Master's Thesis on the 1st movement of Bartók's 2nd String Quartet right now. It is my entire life. I have to go meet with my advisor in ten minutes, but I'll write more later.

Who wants to hear about my thesis? I could go on for hours.

Mahler, Wagner, and Beethoven kick ass too, of course.

My faves:

Mahler: Symphony 4, I know, it's a weird choice.

Wagner: the Tristan Overture, Parsifal Prelude, and Siegfried-Idyll.

Beethoven: everything, how can you choose? Maybe the late String Quartets?

Got to go.

Rob Instigator 01.24.2007 01:49 PM

I played cello in school from 6th grade until graduation.

My first exposure to Bartok came when our orchestra played the Hungarian Dances.
There are some sweet cello parts in that.

I woudl liek to hear about your thesis, if you would not want to cluutter up the board you can PM me or email me about it.

if anyone wants to donate to the "Get roberto Instigator a cello" fund, please do so.

Hip Priest 01.24.2007 02:54 PM

Leos Janacek, especially Sinfonietta and Danses Lachiennes, for reasons I can't fully explain due to not being someone who understands why some musical things stand out as interesting or different. Maybe I agree with Wikipedia that His work is tonal, although it employs a vastly expanded view of tonality, and is marked by unorthodox spacings, often making use of modality.

Henry Purcell, because his work is just beautiful.

Glice 01.24.2007 03:15 PM

Good thread. I've been enjoying Saint-Saen, Hildegaard 'Hildy' Von Bingen, Ligeti's Clocks and Clouds and odds and sods of downloaded early music. I've also rediscovered that I actually quite like Pendrecki's 8th and Shostokovich's 13th lately, which I didn't give much time to when I initially bought them.

touch me i'm sick 01.24.2007 09:12 PM

i love bach

Dead-Air 01.25.2007 01:11 AM

Mostly I lean towards 20th Century composers, many who don't necessarily get accepted as "classical", but certainly aren't making "popular" music either. John Cage being my hands down favorite, but also Stravinsky, Stockhausen, Harry Partch, Ligeti, Pauline Oliveros, Arvo Part, Bartok, the Futurists, Walter/Wendy Carlos (both as composer and interpreter), Ornette Coleman (he wrote some really cool string compositions in the '60s!), the Kronos Quartet (I've learned much from who they choose to play.)

The line where classical and experimental meet is a favorite place of mine.

sonic sphere 01.25.2007 10:06 AM

i'm doing an excerpt this evening in college from the rape of lucretia by britten. i play collatinus and we are doing the final scene where lucretia kills herself. really powerful stuff.

noumenal 02.03.2007 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic sphere
i'm doing an excerpt this evening in college from the rape of lucretia by britten. i play collatinus and we are doing the final scene where lucretia kills herself. really powerful stuff.


Awesome - I listened to that opera one time on an LP from the library. Britten is cool, I played his 3rd Suite for Solo Cello on my junior recital. His non-vocal music isn't very well known, but I think it should be. How'd it go?



Toilet & Bowels 02.03.2007 06:37 PM

i barely know any classical music, but if anyone can recommend stuff to check out that you would recommend to someone who likes lou harrison then please do recommend it to me.

also glice, i've never heard hildegaard von bingen but i played this to a friend of mine recently and he said if i like that i'd like HVonB, so maybe the reverse is true too. Regard this:

 


here's an mp3

noumenal 02.03.2007 06:50 PM

If you like that Ars Nova stuff, I recommend Machaut: Messe de Notre Dame and the Motets.

noumenal 02.04.2007 03:21 PM

Bartók's Second String Quartet I. Moderato:

It's a sonata form. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonata_Form

porkmarras 02.04.2007 03:25 PM

Thanks for that.Classical music is a genre i need serious coaching in, like i've stated in a thread i started a while ago.

noumenal 02.04.2007 03:37 PM

No problem. Here's a formal plan:

There's no Introduction.

Exposition 0:00 - 3:49

Primary Theme: 0:00
Transition: 0:53
Second Theme Group: 1:34
Closing Theme: 3:20

Development: 3:49 - 6:03

Recapitulation: 6:03 - 8:58

Primary Theme: 6:03
Transition: 7:01
Second Theme Group: 7:27
Closing Theme: 8:32

Coda: 8:58 - end (10:34)

sonic sphere 02.05.2007 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noumenal
Awesome - I listened to that opera one time on an LP from the library. Britten is cool, I played his 3rd Suite for Solo Cello on my junior recital. His non-vocal music isn't very well known, but I think it should be. How'd it go?

Anyway, a recent discovery of mine is Schnittke's Concerto Grossi. Here's a present, the 2nd movement of the first one:

http://download.yousendit.com/AC31CAFB3C8B8B64


yeah it went fine thanks. just started learning claggart's aria from billy budd and it's a real bitch to get right! :)

compulsive diarrhea, jico 02.05.2007 08:56 AM

i'm not a connaisseur of classical music. yes i'm dumb. and stupid. yeah.

recommend me some classical music.

noumenal 02.07.2007 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compulsive diarrhea, jico
i'm not a connaisseur of classical music. yes i'm dumb. and stupid. yeah.

recommend me some classical music.


Bach. Good starting place. Why not.

Goldberg Variations
Well Tempered Clavier (Book One to start)
Brandenburg Concertos
St. Matthew Passion
Suites for Cello
Orchestral Suites
Solo Concertos (I like the Violin ones)

Good stuff, and there's lots more than that.

The Minimalists are also popular with rock/pop folks. Ask around for some Reich, Young, Riley, Adams, Glass and so on recommedations.

There's a lot of overlap in the free improv circles too, if you're into that.

Rob Instigator 02.07.2007 01:55 PM

Bach is one ruling motherfucker. his sonatas for cello are amazing and still sound thouroughly modern.

Toilet & Bowels 02.07.2007 07:41 PM

that bartok rocked

lungfish 02.07.2007 08:56 PM

lately i've been listening to Andras Schiff's Wigmore Hall Lecture/Recital of Beethoven's Complete Piano Sonatas. he breaks them all down chronologically and it's insightful, funny, and beautiful to listen to.
i recommend it to anyone. Beethoven reverer or not. In fact, it'll make you love him more than you already did because you'll understand him better.

http://music.guardian.co.uk/classica...943867,00.html

also, Mozart's Piano Concertos and German Dances
Chopin's Mazurkas and Preludes
and Haydn's Piano Sonatas.

i just recently fell in love with the piano again and am getting back into classical music. i want to listen to much more.
only problem is i'm not that huge a fan of the Romantic composers, only if they're extremely melodic,
which you will find in some composers cracks (no pun intended) but overall i'm a Classical/Baroque man. but anyway haha.

k-krack 02.07.2007 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
that bartok rocked


Since I heard Bartok in The Shining, I was astounded. I thank whoever put some up, for I am now going to get it!

terminal pharmacy 02.07.2007 09:30 PM

many of you may have heard this series but take alook if you haven't. http://musicmavericks.publicradio.org/

lungfish 02.07.2007 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by terminal pharmacy
many of you may have heard this series but take alook if you haven't. http://musicmavericks.publicradio.org/


Harold Budd interview. nice. thanks.

terminal pharmacy 02.07.2007 09:46 PM

yeah there is some good stuff on there, there was a 13 part history of american mavericks but i cant find it anymore

LittlePuppetBoy 02.07.2007 09:51 PM

My parents used to take my brothers and I to classical concerts at the NAC when we were little kids. But, being little kids, we thought it was really boring.
Now I wish I would have had the taste to appreciate it.

noumenal 02.07.2007 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungfish
lately i've been listening to Andras Schiff's Wigmore Hall Lecture/Recital of Beethoven's Complete Piano Sonatas. he breaks them all down chronologically and it's insightful, funny, and beautiful to listen to.
i recommend it to anyone. Beethoven reverer or not. In fact, it'll make you love him more than you already did because you'll understand him better.

http://music.guardian.co.uk/classica...943867,00.html

also, Mozart's Piano Concertos and German Dances
Chopin's Mazurkas and Preludes
and Haydn's Piano Sonatas.

i just recently fell in love with the piano again and am getting back into classical music. i want to listen to much more.
only problem is i'm not that huge a fan of the Romantic composers, only if they're extremely melodic,
which you will find in some composers cracks (no pun intended) but overall i'm a Classical/Baroque man. but anyway haha.


Great link.

touch me i'm sick 02.07.2007 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Bach is one ruling motherfucker. his sonatas for cello are amazing and still sound thouroughly modern.


ahh the cello pieces are the greatest!

noumenal 02.07.2007 11:01 PM

I put only 4 strings on my guitar and tune them in fifths, so I can play Bach cello suites and stuff on it using cello fingerings. Sounds weird though.

noumenal 02.07.2007 11:02 PM

Bartok: Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion, 1st movement:

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touch me i'm sick 02.07.2007 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noumenal
I put only 4 strings on my guitar and tune them in fifths, so I can play Bach cello suites and stuff on it using cello fingerings. Sounds weird though.


sounds like that'd be cool

noumenal 02.10.2007 10:45 PM

Bach St. Matthew Passion - Come Ye Daughters:

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noumenal 02.11.2007 05:15 PM

A cool piece is "Vesalii Icones" by Peter Maxwell Davies:

Movements:

1. The Agony in the Garden
2. The Betrayal of Judas
3. Christ and Pilate
4. The Flagellation
5. Christ Condemned to Death
6. The Mocking of Christ
7. Christ Receives the Cross
8. St. Veronica Wipes His face
9. Christ Prepared for Death
10. Christ Nailed to the Cross
11. The Death of Christ
12. The Descent from the Cross
13. The Entombment of Christ
14. The Resurrection - Antichrist

Performing forces:

* solo dancer (male)

* cello solo

* flute (+ piccolo and alto flute), clarinet (+ bass or basset clarinet), *percussion (1 player), viola, piano (+ out-of-tune autoharp or zither, cheap commercial tape recorder, music box, 4 bamboo blocks, claxon, whistle, knife and plate), slightly out-of-tune upright piano (to be played by the dancer or the conductor)

*percussion (1 player): glockenspiel, xylophone, bass drum with foot-pedal, suspended cymbal (small), band kit, tam-tam, wood block (very small), anvil (small), sanctus bells, thunder-sheet, short lengths of scaffolding, grater, ratchet, whistle, toy clarion (e.g. Hohner Clarinet 12), biscuit tin filled with broken glass, chains, manual typewriter, saucepan, 2 pebbles, blacksmith's bellows (or fingers drawn across bass drum to produce analogous sound)

Each movement is based on one of the Stations of the Cross and 14 drawings by Andreas Vesalius from 1543:


 


Each shows a different part of anatomy.

Glice 02.11.2007 05:22 PM

I got a copy of Mahler's 8th last week. It's great. Recently I was listening to radio 3 nearly constantly. It makes me very calm. Best radio station in Britain, other than Resonance in London/ streaming.

racehorse 02.11.2007 05:28 PM

what about classical avant garde 20th century radical contemporary composers, do these guys count in this thread?
personally, i've been listening to cage's prepared piano pieces, steve reich's new york counterpoint, treatise by cornelius cardew and some 12 tone serialism as well (webern etc).

terminal pharmacy 02.11.2007 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racehorse
what about classical avant garde 20th century radical contemporary composers, do these guys count in this thread?
personally, i've been listening to cage's prepared piano pieces, steve reich's new york counterpoint, treatise by cornelius cardew and some 12 tone serialism as well (webern etc).


view the link i left earlier on in this thread for twentieth cent composers

noumenal 02.11.2007 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racehorse
what about classical avant garde 20th century radical contemporary composers, do these guys count in this thread?
personally, i've been listening to cage's prepared piano pieces, steve reich's new york counterpoint, treatise by cornelius cardew and some 12 tone serialism as well (webern etc).


I just saw a paper presented that dealt with the Cage Sonatas and Interludes. It was about how the screws and bolts and erasers have changed since the 50's and how that changes the sound of the pieces. Pretty cool stuff.



Sonic Youth 37 02.11.2007 07:31 PM

I know it may be cheesey and cliched and all, but Beethoven's 9th can do it for me any time.

noumenal 02.11.2007 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Youth 37
I know it may be cheesey and cliched and all, but Beethoven's 9th can do it for me any time.


Yeah, it's great - I have a DVD of the Berlin Phil and they rock out with their cocks out.


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