Pavement ripped off the Fall
 

I read this off Wikipedia the other day.

The Fall's primary member, Mark E. Smith, would often angrily claim through the years that Pavement was a "rip-off" of his band [3] and that they didn't "have an original idea in their heads."

Does anyone know any songs that I could listen to that would support Smith's claim? Or is this just bullshit and Pavement sound completely original. I haven't heard much of the Fall so I couldn't judge.

the only songs that sound like the fall are off of slanted ad enchanted and westing by musket ane sextant, and then it is the slower ones, stuff like HERE and summer babe. fuck the FALL. FUCK THE FALL
they can eat a dead donkey's chancred asshole.

you fell on the pavment and got ripped?

the fall and pavement are two wholly different things. mightas well go around telling the world that every single band ripped off the beatles, and that metallica ripped off the misfits and that alice in chains ripped off megadeth and that sonic youth ripped off the velvet underground, etc etc.


fuck those whiny bitches from the fall.

summer babe? that one sounds more like my bloody valentine than the fall

listen to two states and conduit for sale

now, excuse me, i have to go burn my pavement records because they were such rip offs!!!

I mean. i dont agree or anything, but I just wanted someone to recommend me some Fall music that is reminiscent of Pavement or has similar sounds because it might be a good place to start to listen to the Fall.

my bloody valentine?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!!?!?! ? not to be an ass, but you have to be kidding. :rolleyes:

depends what pavement you know or like...

ok, like slowdive or ride; i mean, that wall of guitars?

Listen to New Face In Hell by The Fall and then Conduit For Sale! by Pavement. Then you will now why Mark talks shit about them

Malkmus' response from a Thurston Moore interview where he references the claim:

“Ripping them off? What does that mean, that I am getting rich sounding like them?”

but then again, malkmus himself did admit that when they started , he wanted to sound like the fall and all their early album covers looks almost identical as othe fall lps

hey, influence is influence, and a young band is going to wear theirs on their sleve, especially pavement which was just malkmus and spiral stairs for a while, then their drummer, Young. OF COURSE they sound like their idols. I mean, complaining about this is stupid and the dudes in thefall can eat it.

may as well call Polvo and Unwound rip-offs too for sounding like the GODS OF ROCK, SONIC YOUTH

I don't like the fall. I like pavement. I guess the rip-offs did it better.

Do it, they are one and the same.
I like pavement and the fall, the influence is only on the surface on Slanted and enchanted and bits of crooked rain, after that pavement found their own sound a bit. Indie-bitching is shit in the extreme.

Pavement are a nice band with nice songs, The Fall are a nasty band with nasty songs. Depending on how youre feeling, either can be better.

well, yeah, theres distortion, but theres not really a WALL of guitars. i mean, of course i see what you mean, but mbv and slowdive went a lot further with that huuuge distorted sound.

Both bands kick ass. Originality is overrated.

Everybody rips off everybody whether it is intentional or not.

the only song i can think of there's that sounds like the fall seems like a tribute to them by adopting their style. they do it with a number of artists and it never seems like they're exploiting the artists talent as much as giving them a musical compliment

I find a fair number of similarities between Pavement and The Fall esp. between both bands early records. I'd also say the same with The Swell Maps (Listen to "The Helicopter Spies"). I'll also admit it took me a while to see why Pavement were accused of ripping off The Fall. I loved Pavement a few years ago but now The Fall have so much more substance.