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noisereductions 10.06.2016 07:40 AM

I just finished ep4 of Luke Cage.

Severian 10.06.2016 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
I just finished ep4 of Luke Cage.


And?

Severian 10.06.2016 10:31 AM

I didn't like it as much as JJ or Daredevil but it was pretty damn cool.

Rob Instigator 10.06.2016 11:15 AM

I read that in the last episode the Gang Starr track You Know My Steez is featured?
I am only on episode 4 though....

Severian 10.07.2016 09:49 AM

Did you guys know that there's an A$AP Mob album scheduled to drop in November? I read this last week, in a current article. But it still seems wrong.. or unlikely. I mean, we've been waiting for this since 2013, and it's always been coming, but never seems to get closer.

Anyone know the deal on this?

I'm excited, but cautiously so. I'll believe it when I see it I suppose.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.07.2016 10:26 AM

read a review of that new KoolKeith.. reminded me why i don't read reviews

Severian 10.07.2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
read a review of that new KoolKeith.. reminded me why i don't read reviews


Why? Was it a negative review?

I kinda hate reading reviews too, but I still do it. I hate it when it colors my opinion of something, or makes it impossible for me to "hear" it for myself. I like it when albums that I think deserve good reviews get good reviews, or when albums I'm looking forward to get positive feedback, but I fucking hate it when something is painted in a super negative light. That's what I have trouble with. If an album gets great reviews, it doesn't make me any more likely to not think it sucks. But when an album gets really poor or mediocre reviews from several different sources, I usually don't end up loving the album (unless it's something I spectacular and beyond everyone like Druqks or something).

I hate that.

pepper_green 10.07.2016 08:00 PM

im a big fan of Guitar Moves with Matt Sweeney that Noisey has.

didn't know Scarface fucks around: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Czdg8e8UX4

the new Ace Frehley one is good too.

noisereductions 10.07.2016 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Did you guys know that there's an A$AP Mob album scheduled to drop in November? I read this last week, in a current article. But it still seems wrong.. or unlikely. I mean, we've been waiting for this since 2013, and it's always been coming, but never seems to get closer.

Anyone know the deal on this?

I'm excited, but cautiously so. I'll believe it when I see it I suppose.


If it happens I will get it.

Not a lot of new hip hop moving me lately. But I am diehard ASAP.

pepper_green 10.07.2016 11:38 PM

hip hop doesn't shock me, makes my skin crawl or paranoid anymore. I thought the older I got the worse and the more sick excitement I would get from it. not so.

seems so pop now. disappointment.

Severian 10.08.2016 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
If it happens I will get it.

Not a lot of new hip hop moving me lately. But I am diehard ASAP.


Dude-yo. Have you listened to Isaiah Rashad's new album?
Or possibly better yet, Danny Brown's Atrocity Exhibition? I think "Lost" is one of my favorite rap tracks of the year.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.08.2016 02:09 PM

it wasn't a negative review, it was just full of music cliches, bullshit, and was boring.

Severian 10.08.2016 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
it wasn't a negative review, it was just full of music cliches, bullshit, and was boring.


Yeah I feel you. I'm so sick of critic lingo. Hate myself when it comes out of me.

louder 10.08.2016 06:45 PM

So, I don't know how to say it.. but, I think I'm starting to love The Life of Pablo..

louder 10.08.2016 06:49 PM

I finally get it. Kanye talks about life on this album.. how there's an ultralight beam that protects us.. he talks about the lights and the waves, and the wolves that surround us.

Kanye is still brilliant. I'm the one who couldn't keep up.

louder 10.08.2016 06:51 PM

"Even when somebody go away
The feelings don't really go away
That's just the wave"

"Couldn't tell you much about the fam though
I just showed up for the yams though"

This shit is actually relatable and deep as hell. Remember that line from Heard 'Em Say -"people in your life are seasons"..

louder 10.08.2016 06:54 PM

When was the last time a pop star as big as Kanye even put out such a brutally honest song as "Real Friends"? *sniff*

I think I'm gonna tear up a bit.

louder 10.08.2016 07:03 PM

My head has been spinning all day since TLOP finally hit me. I've been feeling a little high, and I can't remove this stupid smile from my face. Parts of "Waves" and "Highlights" keep playing in my head over and over again.

Last album that made me feel this way.. was probably My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy..

louder 10.08.2016 07:06 PM

The lines I used to find dumb and annoying are actually hilarious to me now. Jesus.

I'm gonna buy a physical copy of the album. I didn't think this day would come.. this is all so crazy and overwhelming to me.

louder 10.08.2016 07:28 PM

Bruno Mars - 24K Magic video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqyT8IEBkvY

When Tyler rapped about wanting to stab Bruno Mars on "Yonkers", I actually felt his anger. Dude's music was everywhere and always made my ears bleed. He was cheesy, his features on rap songs were the worst, and he sang like a real life Disney movie character.

When I heard "Treasure", I was like OK, maybe this guy isn't so bad after all. It was a direct MJ bite, but unlike Drake's "Hold On We're Going On", it was a real good one at that, one that actually required talent as a performer and vocalist.

Then I checked out his last album out of curiousity and it wasn't like super great but it was solid. A step in the right direction.

With this new song, I'm sold. Bruno found his swag and started embracing his inner blackness to the fullest. Love it.

Severian 10.08.2016 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
The lines I used to find dumb and annoying are actually hilarious to me now. Jesus.

I'm gonna buy a physical copy of the album. I didn't think this day would come.. this is all so crazy and overwhelming to me.


Haha! YES! Fucking finally!! Victory!!

This is how I felt from the first streaming event. Really. Over time it's turned into more of a fun album than a tearjerker, but for the fist few weeks I teared up a LOT, especially during "Real Friends" which I really do feel is a song of unmatched depth in modern pop music.

When that song dropped, before the album did, I sent it to my girlfriend immediately (was still converting her at the time) and I said "Nobody's making music like this, especially not in hip hop." It's so genuine and so honest and so free of pretense. With all the time I've had to process the album, I think I've settled on "Real Friends" being the best all around song on the album.

Fade is the most powerful. Famous is the biggest banger. Wolves may be the most beautiful and complex, but Real Friends is, like, THE song. The "Runaway" of Pablo.

And yeah, it reminds me of Heard me say, which is also one of my all time favorites.

FUCKING THANK CHRIST! Louder digs Kanye again! The world once again makes sense to me! My little Kanye mentor... this is great news.

You better not just be high or going through menopause or some shit.

Severian 10.08.2016 08:48 PM

I used to find Freestyle 4 kind of embarrassing, but not anymore. It turns into a crazy turnt dancehall jam like a Yeezus joint at the end, from Eminem diss and free-associative mumbling at the start. The result is great though, especially live.

Can't believe I didn't like FACTS either. That's a fucking jam and a half, and the Charlie Heat re-work did wonders for the overall song.

Yes, there are a number of moments that make me sad... Mostly these:

"When they come for you, I will shield your name, I will field their questions, I will feel your pain/ no one can judge/ they don't know"
"I made 'Sunday Candy' I'm never going to hell, I met Kanye West I'm never going to fail" (I think I've felt this way myself over the years, not that I have met him... but his music has helped me through some dark times indeed.)

"I guess I get what I deserve don't I?
Word on the street is they ain't heard from him
I guess I get what I deserve don't I?
Talk down on my name throw dirt on him"

"The ultimate Gemini has survived / I wasn't s'posed to make it past 25"

And perhaps most of all...

"Wake up Mr. West!"

All very "real" moments for me on that record. It hits home.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.08.2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
I finally get it. Kanye talks about life on this album.. how there's an ultralight beam that protects us.. he talks about the lights and the waves, and the wolves that surround us.

Kanye is still brilliant. I'm the one who couldn't keep up.


damn it

Severian 10.08.2016 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
damn it


Hah.

Just stop fighting it man. Kanye's all kinds of silly and absurd, but he's an icon. 9 consecutive critical and commercially successful milestone albums. That's unheard of in hip-hop, and extremely uncommon even in rock and pop. Won the Village Voice Pazz and Jop award 4 times in 6 years. Same award Sonic Youth and Husker Du won.

He's already a legend, man.

louder 10.08.2016 11:40 PM

@ Sev

I guess that after To Pimp a Butterfly, I was used to all the depth being thrown at my face and expected TLOP to be the same. The album just seemed so dumb and superficial to me in comparsion. Little did I know that I had to dig deeper to find it.

Severian 10.09.2016 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
@ Sev

I guess that after To Pimp a Butterfly, I was used to all the depth being thrown at my face and expected TLOP to be the same. The album just seemed so dumb and superficial to me in comparsion. Little did I know that I had to dig deeper to find it.


Yeah, also it's a different kind of depth. Kendrick is an artist in the tradition of Bob Dylan. Kanye is decidedly more Beatles-like entity. Kendrick - storyteller, Kanye - maker of musical behemoths.

I'd be disappointed if I expected something like TPAB too. But I never thought that was in the cards. I don't expect a lyrical odyssey from Ye. I expect a labyrinthine musical experience.

But shit man, I'm sooooo glad you've come around. SO glad. Way too glad actually.

noisereductions 10.09.2016 09:20 PM

Tlop and the Chance are so great this year.

pepper_green 10.09.2016 10:18 PM

both TLOP and Blonde are great in an 3/4 way. otherwise it's nothing outstanding just they are what they are. artist being artist. TLOP is cast off genius by luck but, really only having the charm of an A + album by an upstart which adds up to 3/4 of the album being relevant. Blonde sounds like the opposite. tying to overcome the famous sophomore slump with 3/4's success. one is more important than the other because the other has already got the critical advantage with legend statist. at least Blonde is not shrouded in jackass publicity stunts.

pepper_green 10.09.2016 10:50 PM

now, I have no opinion about some of the records the lame brain southern/ATL rappers you praise sometimes are releasing this year. that shit is just one yard away from dumb booty club music. I would love to put myself in yr shoes and understand the exotic nature you get from that shit. you foreign white boy.

Severian 10.10.2016 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pepper_green
now, I have no opinion about some of the records the lame brain southern/ATL rappers you praise sometimes are releasing this year. that shit is just one yard away from dumb booty club music. I would love to put myself in yr shoes and understand the exotic nature you get from that shit. you foreign white boy.


Who are you even taking to?
I have no Southern/ATL shit on my radar this year. NONE. Future's Evol was fun for a few listens as I waited for the real music to come out, but it's no class act. Won't be in my top 10, 20, or -- should I choose to attempt it again -- 50. Just a placeholder while I waited to TLOP.

Severian 10.10.2016 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
Tlop and the Chance are so great this year.


Yeah. Yep. Yea-huh.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Blank Face LP, and I like The Sun's Tirade. I like Atrocity Exhibition quite a fucking bit. And Birds in the Trap is good. And untitled unmastered. is gravy.

But the year in hip-hop CLEARLY belongs to Kanye and Chance. Coloring Book compliments TLOP quite a bit like My Name is My Name complemented Yeezus. And it seems as though Kanye has kind of thrown in with Chance as his new sidekick. The albums work really well side by side, and each is its own triumph. Nothing else really seems to matter much though, when compared directly to these two albums.

louder 10.10.2016 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Coloring Book compliments TLOP quite a bit like My Name is My Name complemented Yeezus.

Spot on.

Severian 10.10.2016 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pepper_green
both TLOP and Blonde are great in an 3/4 way. otherwise it's nothing outstanding just they are what they are. artist being artist. TLOP is cast off genius by luck but, really only having the charm of an A + album by an upstart which adds up to 3/4 of the album being relevant. Blonde sounds like the opposite. tying to overcome the famous sophomore slump with 3/4's success. one is more important than the other because the other has already got the critical advantage with legend statist. at least Blonde is not shrouded in jackass publicity stunts.


TLOP > Blonde. Not that they're really comparable.
Blonde was successful because it didn't eat shit like a lot of follow-ups to classic albums. And it's good, but it's not on the level of TLOP. It doesn't contain the schizoid multidues that Pablo does. It's a relatively safe record, and TLOP is the complete opposite of safe in every way... bordering on self-sabotage even.

I'm assuming you mean Blonde is more "important" and TLOP is the record with the "critical advantage" of "legendary status" but that's an oversimplification, and it's not super accurate. Do you understand just how criticially acclaimed Channel Orange was? I mean, come on man. In the grand scheme of 2010's hip hop records, it is only outhyped by MBDTF/Yeezus and Good Kid/TPAB. It didn't have the same level of impact as either of those albums, but aside from Ye and Kendrick, it's like the most hyped album in the hip-hop/r&b world.

I think when comparing the two albums, everything can be pretty much summed up by this one fact: the most enduring part of Blonde, and the only part that is still discussed (even though it's still fucking new) is.... the Kanye West McDonald's poem that came with the accompanying publication.

Love Frank Ocean, but Blonde stopped spinning for me after just a few weeks. I'm still listening to Pablo regularly and it's been out for 8 months.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.10.2016 10:25 AM

damn it we're talking about Kanye again? Ill check back in next week

Severian 10.10.2016 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
damn it we're talking about Kanye again? Ill check back in next week


Some of us never stop talking about Kanye, bruh. Can't stop. Won't stop. And you're all "Girl you need to stop it now." And it's like, "Who gon stop me? Who gon stop me huuhhh?"

;)

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 10.10.2016 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Some of us never stop talking about Kanye, bruh. Can't stop. Won't stop. And you're all "Girl you need to stop it now." And it's like, "Who gon stop me? Who gon stop me huuhhh?"

;)


 

pepper_green 10.10.2016 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Who are you even taking to?


I meant the royal you. random avatars and handles. this is not a cop out.

Severian 10.10.2016 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SuchFriendsAreDangerous
 


Ah!

Ok, we all love MJ (his music anyway), but nobody needs to see that. I feel like I just saw an 11 year old boy naked.

louder 10.10.2016 10:51 PM

Speaking of MJ.. Dangerous is a super underrated album from him.

Rob Instigator 10.11.2016 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by pepper_green
now, I have no opinion about some of the records the lame brain southern/ATL rappers you praise sometimes are releasing this year. that shit is just one yard away from dumb booty club music. I would love to put myself in yr shoes and understand the exotic nature you get from that shit. you foreign white boy.


I am PUERTO RICAN. We are one HALF of Hip Hop culture (*rappin, MC'ing, breakin, graffitti) that black folks have conveniently forgotten about and white folks never understood.


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