parody threads, no question

I read everything everyone writes AND I did tell knox that I would keep the images to the appropriate threads (damn girl pull Ovah and post pics of hot girls)
everything you wrote is valid and true but I do not see it necessarily applying to the people on this forum. this forum is words, text mostly, and intent/subtext/sarcasm/irony etc are very hard to "read" from white letters on a blue background. To extrapolate too much based on certain offensive comments/posts/images is not good either.
the only mysogyny I see seems to be purely farcical.

i didn't see that you told knox that. it needs to be everyone tho, not just you. you are the only one so far who has eventually shown any willingness to help us out on this which is appreciated.

i disagree with a few of the things you said. i don't think it's about extrapolating anything, because that would suggest it's our fault for extrapolating it the wrong way. it's clearly there. some people don't find it to be funny, no matter how ironic or farcical the poster covers themselves by claiming to be. you can be mysogynistic ironically, because what? you're aware that its offensive and you shouldn't but you still do anyway? and it's not a matter of just telling someone to lighten up.

i don't buy the farce argument either, it doesn't apply most of the time. that's just saying "oh i said it but i don't mean it." then just don't say it. everyone knows what kind of game you're playing with that. you're saying "oh i know this is supposed to offend you but you can't get annoyed because i don't mean it, so i'm going to say it anyway in a non serious context so you have to let me get away with it and not get mad, cos i'm trying to irritate you". that's just boring.

it's really not an issue of someone extrapolating "oh he hates women" based on the pictures that are posted. the point is we do not want to see those pictures ourselves, if they were kept in just the one thread we wouldn't have to look and it would be fine. in the same way that you guys would (presumably) get nauseated if someone started posting hardcore gay porn all over the place, or post it now just to prove me wrong. so all that has been asked is that all those gross/porn pictures be kept in the one thread, which i think is pretty reasonable. but the moment you try to be genuine here it's mandatory that someone kicks in with irreverance and does the opposite of what you've said, even if you already know they will. presumably for the sake of how predictable that is, and to prove how individual they are. which is even more boring.

so i think i can assume to speak on behalf for at least 4 other people who have already stated this and probably a lot more who haven't by saying:
it would be really nice and prove that you guys are willing to be courteous to the rest of us if you could just keep all the gross/porn in the one thread. as it's really nauseating for some of us to have to see it everywhere.

It is true. It is not fair to people checking this forum out at libraries, mom's house, friend's computers, work, school, etc.

I'm upset mr. #6%4*6 just completely ignored my post.

ha ha ha ha-- i/ve never seen that sort of stuff, but seems totally plausible.

who the fuck would say something like that? keeping it simple?

by the way rob, i mixed you up with symbol man, i was referring to him not reading one of my posts a few pages ago, but i mixed you up and thought you were him replying. so i didn't mean that when i said you were ignoring anything.

How come when I click on yr blog link it sez I gotta get an invite?

send one sucka! robinstigator@gmail.com
or fuppets@gmail.com

i've taken the blog down and may redo it at some point.

ahhhh.

No-one reasonable would say it, and no-one who wanted to be taken seriously would. You could argue the point for it with the same 'logic' applied by quite a few on this thread (though not necessarily you, you're a bit sharper than that).

i didnt, i answered in a hurry and without quoting you because 1) i was tired from answering too many posts and 2) the phone rang, and it was important

however, since some kind of chainsaw outside the window woke me up early, i'll take this time to answer you in extra detail, quotes & all


who is "you guys" and what is your point and if pornography is not the problem then what is it? please clarify.


you're not an object, you're words on a screen :P

sorry, smartass answer, albeit true on a level; but i feel you're either trying to put words in my mouth or looking for badness under the carpet. however, if it's a genuine question i already gave you a genuine answer: no, people are people, but objects (pictures) are objects. pictures are not people. if i paint a moustache on a picture of george bush and stab his eyes, he does not magically grow a moustache and lose his eyesight.


what is the "nasty cultural virus" that we're spreading here in spite of being good people? [edit: ok, i see below now, no worries]


i said this 2 pages back:

yeah i don't find beating up women funny at all and that gif sucks.

however, i do like the freewheeling nature of this place. and if that means i have to avert my eyes when i see some unpleasant shit (there is plenty), i'll avert my eyes and move on to what interests me. it's a conscious choice.

i could go frequent censored and managed boards but those usually suck. the price of freedom is having to put up with shit we dislike in others-- like the presence of keep it simpleton, for example-- that shouldn't keep us from expressing our opinion on it though, so calling someone on their unpleasant shit is totally fair game, and so on & so forth.


i have already answered/addressed that. i said that there is plenty here that displeases or revolts me, personally, but i either 1) avoid it and move on, or 2)if it pisses me off enough give the culprits shit for it. and i've encouraged you to give people shit for what you find offending.

i am angry that you ignored my response. no, not really, but come on, i already answered that, if you don't like my reply it's one thing but don't say ive ignored you.


[edit: ok, this is the nasty cultural virus you're talking about, i assume]

yes i agree with you that those stereotypes and expectations are annoying and deleterious, but if you know who you are you don't have to be a pushover and let them affect you, and if you think you need to do battle against them-- battle!


i used to take the internet seriously too, particularly this board, but then i learned that you cannot control the internet and it's always going to veer towards the lowest common denominator [edit: which is why i warned you about the "entities"-- i know this place].

atari used to pick fights with people he didn't find worthy of his intellect and artistic vision, eventually he picked fights with everyone here. me, i realized this is never going to be mount parnassus and that there will always be a measure of shit going on, so i lowered my expectations and learned to love the bomb. sorry, obscure dr. strangelove joke. i mean i learned to love the chaos. trying to turn this place, particularly the "lower board" (aka non-sonics aka the sewer) into some sort of intellectual heaven is a futile enterprise. however, you're free to try.


everybody has something different in their spank bank. you don't have one? or are you too uncomfortable to say? are you against masturbation, or were you just jealous?

unf

fave movie ever

This thread sucks. Let's go jerk off.

^^^ you mean you haven't already?

tsk tsk

You do know you are twisting my whole point. You know it. And I'll just imagine it is because you're too uncomfortable with the whole debate. The last paragraph is so far from anything I've said (and I know you know it) that I refuse to even comment. It's a cheap attack/speculation (that you'll claim to be a joke) that I better just ignore it.

But I still understand it, in a way. If we are to fully understand every implication of our actions we might just crumble. If you were to understand the overall consequence of the actions you engage in (because everyone does it) you wouldn't handle it. So we try and protect ourselves by not SEEING it.

Kim gordon's songs are not usually my favorite. On the other hand, I've always liked the lyrics and how it'll mention all these questions about the objetification of women, gender roles and whatnot in a way that's intelligent and far from cliche. It is always amazing to me how people can filter the messages they don't wanna hear (like you've been doing to my posts), and just simply focus on the part they can deal with. I'm surprised to find out how that can go unheard tho.

You also know I wasn't talking about pornography (as much as I know males are taught to simplify everything). I was inviting you to think about how we are surrounded by images of objectification of women everywhere, without a choice. To say a photo is not a person is just simplifying too much in order to justify everything. One photo is the representation of a person, the representation of a woman, and a thousand photos everywhere are the representation of how society views women in general. Otherwise such images would be rare, instead of the norm.

There's nothing I can say that'll get you to fully understand what's like to grow up surrounded by these ideas/comments/images/behaviour with the underlying nightmare that that's all they want you to be, you'll always be judged/measured/treated according to them (or whatever men are taught by them that women are like). You'll either fall in the category or not. And if you don't, there'l be consequences to pay. It doesn't matter what you do or who you are, this will be assessed first. This is what the world thinks it's your self worth. The rest is an accessory. You'll become a prisioner of your own body and you can't eat, speak or age without fear. But you will argue is NOT like that. Because you know what's like to be a woman, right? Everyone does. They do because they tell us what's it like to be us.

You'll say you're not responsible for that, but you are. We all are.

If people are free to post what they want, we're also free to voice our opinions. I never said I am not capable of ignoring whatever I don't like, I just said I was dissapointed to see this forum's main activity be just as banal as celebrity gossip website.

And then other people respectfully requested the images to be kept in certain threads. It bothers them and they're just as entitled to use this forum as anyone else. Women are being driven away and don't wanna post anymore (I've been told by a few).

Of course you don't have to accept these requests. But the lack of willingness to do so or even care about what these people feel shows something more disturbing than any image anyone could post could ever be.

i can't give you a long answer right now (you know it takes time) but i dont know where you get the notion that i don't care about your requests, but i think that dialogue requires for people to attempt to understand each other and where the other is coming from, and i fell like you're just projecting a lot onto my answer, things i have never said/ supported/ etc., like "i'm uncomfortable with the whole debate". i've answered your previous post point by point and i'm not the one who said "this thread sucks, let's go jerk off". it's fucking annoying to be mischaracterized like that. here i am trying to understand and be understood and i get this "you don't wanna talk about this" bullshit thrown in my face. that's a cheap tactic and you know better.

anyway, i get that you want a politically correct board/ society/ world, i get that some of these things hurt your feelings, and i get that you want to restrain the trash to a single thread, and i get lots more that i don't have time to clarify right now (but i will later). however, please, if you want do have a good discussion don't start by with assuming or projecting ill will ontp your discussion partner, or you'll end up arguing with the ghosts in your head instead of the person in front of you.

anyway i need to go have breakfast, make some phone calls, clean my cat's crap, and set up my work table, among other things, but i'll come back to answer the prosecutor's charges at a later time. and i don't call them prosecutor's charges because "i don't wanna hear"-- i call them that because you're unfairly depicting my position on this matter to a degree that it appears purposeful. but yeah, ok, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt & presume good will on your part before i write my own answers.

I hate the smell of bra burnings in the morning.

symbol, have you ever thought "hey, maybe i'm coming off as patronising, maybe i should think why i need to do that for over 4 pages"?

i know that you are too stuck up to read my posts. but if you had you might have found these quotes, which are in my opinion highly relevant and could be useful to you in a time of introspection, hint hint:



because it does seem like you have being doing that so far and aren't going to stop anytime soon. it would be infuriating if it wasn't so hilarious, but it's too boring to be that either.... hmmmm.... so if i was to follow the symbol man school of thought, were you don't need to listen or try to understand why someone else feels the way they do, and that that could matter more than your opinions, couldn't i just shorten it and say: "no, you're wrong to feel this way because of MY different opinions"


i disagree with what you said about "the price of freedom". you are being requested not to behave in a certain way that is offending people, and they are trying to explain why they feel this way. freedom doesnt mean i get to act like a douche because i can so fuck everyone else. you make it harder for other people to have freedom unless you listen to what they have to say and try to show them some respect.

dont pretend that asking for some respect is a demand that everyone goose step to intellectualism. you just mean you want to use it when it suits you so you can always suddenly switch from being serious if you can't win an argument.

you are coming across as condescending, smug and self assured that anyone wants to hear more of your opinions. when you should only be self assured at how annoying it is to hear you go on and on forever. oh sorry, am i being "overheated" again? don't worry i've got a fan beside me now.

and to tell us all we need to do is "give people shit for it" in response, is both patronising and sounds like you are saying you won't stop offending people unless they try to offend you back. we asked people to be courteous. we don't want to get dragged down into pissing battles on a board. because thats really stupid and excruciatingly boring and really doesn't interest us.

you go on to suggest we have to "fight" as a solution, suggesting you are going to keep fighting back unless we do. we don't CARE about dominating other people. we aren't asking for a fight. we are asking people to be considerate of how we feel. are you really so wrapped up in yourself you can't see that?

EDIT: well it seems like you finally have stopped now. without realising that no, noone really was interested in a "good" discussion, however thrilling that might have been.

all that shit about the prosecutor? complaining about accusations that sully your might pride when you've said insulting things to people again and again when they've been keeping it civil? you'd almost expected me to say something like "get off your high horse you pompous fuck" but that would be being overheated again, wouldn't it? oh how i can not wait for the next installment in this gripping saga.

Why don't you guys just counter the hot naked women with hot naked men? Fight fire with fire.

By "you" I don't mean you in specific. I mean "you" in general (the people unwilling to take part in the debate and actually listen).

Now on you particularly I've noticed that you haven't been reading so why bother replying?

Also, I don't like assumptions made about me.

I don't want a politically correct nothing.

I don't particularly like things to be PC.

But mediocricity bores me. It's more of the same.

I'm always looking for people to bring me a different insight about things, and a lot of the times they do. But some men just repeat whatever they have been repeating since they were 12 ITS ALL OK MY DAD SAID ITS OK MY UNCLE SAID TOO SO IT MUST BE THIS, THIS IS IT< THIS IS WHATS LIKE TO BE A MAN.

(and then I have the imaginary vomit)

I'm not even trying to fight anything. I just thought an interesting discussion could happen, rather than this overall simplification of everything that is slightly insulting to my intelligence.

People are simply being too defensive. What a turn off.

None of you are dumb enough to think this is simply about some photos of naked women that 'insult' people. So why simplify it?

Also, nobody is reading. So there is no debate. All there is the eventual defensive post. Selective reading. (I don't think I've learnt that tecnique).

It leaves me wondering: do people not get me or do people don't want to get it?

Who knows.

because most girls aren't knuckle draggers like you

Just another thing: it made me laugh a little that no one commented on the fact that women are rarely posting anymore, and many of them have clearly said (in one way or another) that this whole situation has something to do with it. Who cares right? Who needs women posting.

Exactly.

NO GIRLS ALLOWED!!!!

Internet polieece sez no moer boobiez they hiurtz my eyez and my feelingz.


FUCKING FASCISTS

I'm sorry, but I've brought that up so many times (prior to this thread), and it's just pointless, the people that don't understand, aren't going to, or just don't care.

part of me wants to think that if a female has made it "this far" on the internet, she should be toughened to the aspect of what it brings out in males; however, mostly, I agree with you, and although it's slightly stupid and wistful, I really do think that Sonic Youth fans should behave with more respect toward women. maybe it's because I love Kim Gordon, maybe it's because I just respect women, I don't know....

but yeah....not going to change people.

ps: this isn't about posting pictures of tits!

Seriously though, guys.

One of the most extraordinary things about this board is it's complete lack of strict moderation. Anything goes here, and we all seem to get along greatly for the most part.

One could argue that to ensure perfect harmony, that we must contribute to a more harmonious community where everyone can feel safe, and have fun. But, you all know, deep down, that once you start saying one thing "isn't okay" then another thing quickly becomes "not okay", and then another, and another, and another... and pretty soon we might as well be posting on Nickelback Gossip.

I miss the ladies POV on everything.
Come back ladies! we will sequester our perversions!

no, because we aren't saying it isn't ok. we are just saying could you guys please keep it all in the one thread. it's not going to open the door to anything else, or else it would have happened before. it's just that recently it has gotten very frequent and bad and it's making the board nauseating for many of us.

For the most part, it pretty much is kept in one thread. I mean, other than amerikangod talking about slaughtering women with his massive member, and Rob's appreciation of big asses every so often in the "comething comepletely irrelevant thread". But that's part of their gimmick, and we all love them for that.

All I wanna do is admire pretty goth girls, and make obviously sarcastic jokes with the fellas. I'll be damned if I'm gonna let anyone take that away from me. I mean, didn't SYG used to pride itself on how "hard" and "rarely offended" it's members were? When I first joined, I was led to believe that I would need thick skin to fit in here. Guess not.

Grow some balls, SYG. You're embarrassing me.

good sir, I don't care what you do or say.

but do you not notice a distinct lack of females around these parts???

ask yrself "why?" sometime.

(not pointing fingers, just sayin')

There's a distinct lack of females on any internet forum.

I still see knox, ploesj, Satan, phoenix, and Deux posting here regularly. That's more females than most forums would ever dream of having.

Like the symbol guy said, it's not too hard to avoid reading/discussing things on here that you don't want to. If no one reacted to the sexism on here, or the reaction was mostly negative, then it would surely cease. But, the truth of the matter is, is that it's been demanded by many of the members on this board, and respected as quality entertainment. Democracy ftw.

I am down for keeping the freakfreak in a couple threads.

I think the fact that not that many ladies (as far as we kno, for screen names do not tell gender necesarily) are not here or leave is because of individual interactions with certain SYG members, more so than random tits and ass.

use the word FUCK. The word is love.

i don't think any of the females who asked you keep gross stuff in the one thread are really interested in growing balls.

it's not really that important you prove how endowed with balls and think skin you are that you can't just keep certain images in the one thread is it?

Look mate, nobody can stop you from posting what you like on here. There is a moderator for that. It would help if you saved face by coming across less like the real fascist because not everyone thinks like you do and they are not afraid to tell you.

It's not about that, man. It's about this place being one of the most intelligent, and liberated communities on the internet, and you guys are trying to censor it, or tell people what to post, and where to post it under the disguise of "liberation". That truly sickens me.

really?
really?
hahahah
lol

fuck.

5.
more females than the internet could ever dream of having.
LOL

thats the best one today.

democracy only suits some, right.

as if i ever get 'offended'

i have no hope for anyone sir.

nobody is trying to censor anything.

in fact, one could argue that you're the one trying to censor the people who are free to say they DONT LIKE SOMETHING.

now deal with it. and stop moaning.

oh the female fascists blah blah boo hoo.

i mean you're not allowed to masturbate in public, im sure your 4th grade teacher told you that.
is that fascist?