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Glice 01.08.2009 04:25 PM

Another AC classic

In line with the thread, it's a funny thing, music, isn't it? Because I probably know a good 20-odd people for whom this AC are much more talked about than the vastly more popular AC. And like how someone here said that Radiohead were a mid-level band when they're much closer to the Justin Timberlake side of enormous than the Super Furry Animals.

On with the AC

Rob Instigator 01.08.2009 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
I usually go in Bloomington, it's this college town I live 15-20 minutes away from. Or Indianapolis. A LOT of bands completely skip Indiana when they tour. In fact, Animal Collective played here about 6 years ago and I missed them and I emailed them about 2 years ago to ask why they always skip here and they said because no one showed up to their first show here. I'm taking a guess way more people would show up now...


my friend Anthony Joseph Lanman got his PhD in music composition there.

Derek 01.08.2009 04:27 PM

anal cunt rule

uhler 01.08.2009 04:32 PM

actually, i think i do know more people that like anal cunt than i do that like animal collective. maybe i should take a survey.

sarramkrop 01.08.2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by uhler
actually, i think i do know more people that like anal cunt than i do that like animal collective. maybe i should take a survey.


i do.

acousticrock87 01.08.2009 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Glice
And like how someone here said that Radiohead were a mid-level band when they're much closer to the Justin Timberlake side of enormous than the Super Furry Animals.

Yeah I thought about that when I typed it. It's just that they seem like the same thing. Though there are vastly more people into Radiohead.

I dunno. I couldn't be bothered to define to myself "mid-level band" for that single post, so I pulled a name out of the air.

sarramkrop 01.08.2009 04:38 PM

even my mum knows who radiohead are, and that's saying something.

she might even think that they're shit, but she wouldn't say.

MellySingsDoom 01.08.2009 04:41 PM

Everyone knows that the best album of all time is that Geroggerigegege album (you know, the one with the microphone feedback and actual recorded wanking).

atsonicpark 01.08.2009 04:41 PM

I do as well (know more people into anal cunt than animal collective -- and I know lots of people into animal collective!).

greedrex 01.08.2009 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
even my mum knows who radiohead are, and that's saying something.

she might even think that they're shit, but she wouldn't say.


"Hello Mrs Porky, what do you think of radiohead?"
"It's shit. You know shit as in shite, like a big bag of smelly poo, shit. shit.shit. K?"

Toilet & Bowels 01.08.2009 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
hype is the PRELUDE to propularity (sometimes, other times it is just a smokescreena nd popularity never comes)
HYPE exists to increase the audience for an otherwise little known artist. Hype for BIG, KNOWN artists ussually means that their last records sucked ass and they need to create interest in the new one.



yeah all the hype means is that their PR person is doing a good job

Toilet & Bowels 01.08.2009 07:07 PM

the vinyl for this record sold way more than it would have done had the CD been released the same week, i think a lot of their hardcore fans will have bought the LP just because nothing else was available even though they probably won't listen to it more than once or twice, if they even listen to it at all, they'll just download it or buy the CD and listen to those when they are available. you see how many copies the vinyl sells when other formats are available. releasing the vinyl early to boost sales is just a gimmick to generate further coverage for the release of the other formats.

anyway, you young'uns need to shut your yaps and get out in to the real world where nobody listens to animal collective, when you leave school or university you'll see that every one else listens to beyonce & coldplay.

and everyone in the world is right to listen to beyonce instead of the animal collective.. i'm not sure who is worse out of animal collective and coldplay though.

Toilet & Bowels 01.08.2009 07:19 PM

animal craplective
animal cocklective
animal cuntlective
animal spacklective
animal shitlective
animal scissorshocksucklective

atsonicpark 01.08.2009 07:20 PM

haha

davenotdead 01.08.2009 07:21 PM

just as an fyi, they would have sold much more if there was more available... many people are gonna have to wait for the repress now.

Toilet & Bowels 01.08.2009 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
just as an fyi, they would have sold much more if there was more available... many people are gonna have to wait for the repress now.


and they would have sold a lot less if the vinyl hadn't been released before all the other formats, a CD selling enough copies in its first week of release to get in to the top 200 sellers list is not a newsworthy event, do you see?

acousticrock87 01.08.2009 07:27 PM

They should release the album on t-shirt, first. To sell more t-shirts.

sarramkrop 01.08.2009 07:28 PM

Vivian Girls made it to the billboard top 100 or something too. The Strokes did too, and had quite a lot of hype surrounding them. Ask the guy in your local grocery store if he knows those two bands, and he will ask you to politely leave the premises.

atsonicpark 01.08.2009 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
Vivian Girls made it to the billboard top 100 or something too..


Really? That's bizarre.

davenotdead 01.08.2009 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
and they would have sold a lot less if the vinyl hadn't been released before all the other formats, a CD selling enough copies in its first week of release to get in to the top 200 sellers list is not a newsworthy event, do you see?


i do see, but i do not agree. random casual fans are going to be buying this on cd, not vinyl. hardcore fans are buying both. i don't think it is as big as you are making it. its not like there were gonna be a ton of people waiting for the cd, when the lossless/wav files are floating around, and instead they purchased the vinyl. no, those casual people are just now hearing about the album, and the vinyl is way sold out already.

davenotdead 01.08.2009 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sarramkrop
Vivian Girls made it to the billboard top 100 or something too. The Strokes did too, and had quite a lot of hype surrounding them. Ask the guy in your local grocery store if he knows those two bands, and he will ask you to politely leave the premises.



the strokes were/are huge though. snoop dog said he loved the song "12:51" on some interview in mtv or rollingstone or something... and both MTV and RS had huge coverage of that band... AC is way different and way more "underground"

davenotdead 01.08.2009 08:04 PM

plus T & B, the vinyl is $25... people only wanting to spend about $10 or so on the cd aren't that likely to pony up for the vinyl, are they?

Toilet & Bowels 01.08.2009 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
i do see, but i do not agree. random casual fans are going to be buying this on cd, not vinyl. hardcore fans are buying both. i don't think it is as big as you are making it. its not like there were gonna be a ton of people waiting for the cd, when the lossless/wav files are floating around, and instead they purchased the vinyl. no, those casual people are just now hearing about the album, and the vinyl is way sold out already.


this is exactly the point, how many of their hardcore fans would buy the vinyl if it wasn't released before the CD? They are buying the vinyl because it is the only thing available, and then they will buy the CD once that is released, if the CD came before the LP do you think the LP would have sold out its first pressing in a week? Would MTV have written a news story about the album breaking the top200 if it wasn't vinyl only? Would casual listeners, or anyone who reads MTV news have heard about this new release if it wasn't for MTV covering it?
I'm not making a big deal out of it, I think this was a simple PR stunt to generate interest for animal collective's new record as they seem to be getting to that point where they can maybe sell a few records to people who listen to mostly mainstream stuff and a tiny smattering of independent, people who have slightly more adventurous tastes than average, but to whom The Trail of The Dead (for example) are pretty radical stuff.

Toilet & Bowels 01.08.2009 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by davenotdead
plus T & B, the vinyl is $25... people only wanting to spend about $10 or so on the cd aren't that likely to pony up for the vinyl, are they?


Indeed, people wanting to spend $10 for a CD won't spend $25 on vinyl. Hardcore AC fans won't care about that though, and they are the people who buy albums the week they are released.

davenotdead 01.08.2009 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
this is exactly the point, how many of their hardcore fans would buy the vinyl if it wasn't released before the CD?
MANY

They are buying the vinyl because it is the only thing available, and then they will buy the CD once that is released, if the CD came before the LP do you think the LP would have sold out its first pressing in a week?
PROBABLY

Would MTV have written a news story about the album breaking the top200 if it wasn't vinyl only?
I DON'T KNOW AS I DON'T FOLLOW MTV, BUT IF THE CD HAD BEEN RELEASED AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE BROKEN THE TOP 40 SALES FOR THE WEEK, SO MTV MAY HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THAT

Would casual listeners, or anyone who reads MTV news have heard about this new release if it wasn't for MTV covering it?
THAT DOESN'T MATTER AS THERE IS NOTHING FOR THEM TO PURCHASE NOW, ALSO MOST PEOPLE WHO READ MTVNEWS PROBABLY DON'T CARE MUCH ABOUT BANDS THEY DON'T KNOW AND PROBABLY DON'T SEEK OUT MUCH DIFFERENT MUSIC ANYWAY


I'm not making a big deal out of it, I think this was a simple PR stunt to generate interest for animal collective's new record as they seem to be getting to that point where they can maybe sell a few records to people who listen to mostly mainstream stuff and a tiny smattering of independent, people who have slightly more adventurous tastes than average, but to whom The Trail of The Dead (for example) are pretty radical stuff.

I Dont know if it was pr or not, i think it was fan response. we knew they had it available and it was mostly to reward the hardcore fans who were going to pre-order anyway. once the cd is released and casual fans who buy magazines read about it, then we'll see true sales numbers. What I think this vinyl sales thing demonstrates, is that AC has more "hardcore" fans than most other indie bands out there, and our enthusiasm is breaking into the indie mainstream... AC is not there yet, and I hope they never get there, but they are heading towards Radiohead levels

SYRFox 01.09.2009 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by atsonicpark
I usually go in Bloomington, it's this college town I live 15-20 minutes away from. Or Indianapolis. A LOT of bands completely skip Indiana when they tour. In fact, Animal Collective played here about 6 years ago and I missed them and I emailed them about 2 years ago to ask why they always skip here and they said because no one showed up to their first show here. I'm taking a guess way more people would show up now...

ADAM COOLEY WROTE HIS FIRST FANLETTER TO GEOLOGIST

This will be the NME's headline next week.

atsonicpark 01.09.2009 07:16 AM

Holy shit, how did you get that star to show up on that Boredoms song in your playlist?

That's so cool!

SYRFox 01.09.2009 07:22 AM

ahah I just tagged the track that way (just copy/paste the symbol as the title)
you can actually do that for all tracks on the album except for (spiral), as the symbol does not exist

SYRFox 01.09.2009 07:22 AM

☆☆☆

atsonicpark 01.09.2009 07:28 AM

crazy.

SYRFox 01.12.2009 11:37 AM

So this album is now out in Europe, I've bought it this morning at 9.30am and I've listened to it for the first time
It's awesome
I see no drag down, all the tracks sound good to me. And some of them are even better on the album than they were live - Guys Eyes especially, and it was the track I was waiting for the most. Daily Routine is also mindblowing. I'll need more listens to truly understand it but it really has the potential of a masterpiece

davenotdead 01.12.2009 04:39 PM

am i reaaallly all the things that are outsiiide of me
am i reaaallly all the things that are outsiiide of me
am i reaaallly all the things that are outsiiide of me
am i reaaallly all the things that are outsiiide of me
am i reaaallly all the things that are outsiiide of me
am i reaaallly all the things that are outsiiide of me

davenotdead 01.12.2009 04:46 PM

wozwers.

AC last.fm listens for last 7 days.
http://www.last.fm/music/Animal+Coll...subtype=tracks

radiohead
http://www.last.fm/music/Radiohead/+...subtype=tracks

sy
http://www.last.fm/music/Sonic+Youth...subtype=tracks

acousticrock87 01.12.2009 05:25 PM

You do have to take into account that they just released a CD. It will of course be higher than usual. But those are still some impressive numbers.

Rob Instigator 01.12.2009 06:06 PM

Does Last.FM count a 3 second long listen as a FULL listen? think about it.

davenotdead 01.12.2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
Does Last.FM count a 3 second long listen as a FULL listen? think about it.



it has to be half of the track. it does affect bands that have really long tracks.

atsonicpark 01.13.2009 05:50 AM

No, it doesn't have to be half the track, it has to be whatever the person specifies... it can be 50% minimum, but the default is 100%. And most people probably don't change the default.

Not to mention, again, all the tracks have to be TAGGED correctly. So, again, even with all those last.fm listens, you can probably easily throw another 2-3 million on top of that for the real total. Just insane.

SYRFox 01.13.2009 07:09 AM

Actually I think the default is 50%, since I've never changed anything and it counts it for me when I'm at half the track.

atsonicpark 01.13.2009 07:35 AM

It may be different now (or when you got it); it was 100% on mine and my friend's. Either way... it's not "3 seconds and it counts it". Hell, it won't even scrobble a song at all if it's too short..

atsonicpark 01.13.2009 07:47 AM

 


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