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louder 03.02.2017 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
My personal top four would probably be:

RZA
Pete Rock
Kanye West
J Dilla (winner)

Unless I'm forgetting someone or something, those are the producers that either directly made or shaped my what I love about hip-hop.

Dilla, Ye and RZA for sure. And then maybe Just Blaze for me. Or Q-Tip. Gah. This is tough.

louder 03.02.2017 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Right. Sure. I probably do too if I had to pick. I do love Quik, but I tend to prefer soul-inflected or totally whacked out production over that boom-boom-pat boom-boom-pat West Coast stuff that's more just beat programming (at least in Dre's case) than actual production.

But that leads me to another question: What about No ID? Eh? No ID has had such a massive influence on hip-hop, even though it's been mostly behind the scenes and unheralded. I mean, he's Kanye's mentor. He worked on Resurrection, TPAB, Blueprint 3, and more and more. Isn't he often called the "king of Chicago hip-hop?" Seems like he belongs.

Dion is a legend but not like, the absolute best.. it's like Batman and Ra's al Ghul. Ha.

louder 03.02.2017 07:14 PM

Long Before Moonlight, Mahershala Ali Rapped As Prince Ali — And He Was Good
http://www.vulture.com/2017/02/maher...t-rapping.html

That was dope!

louder 03.02.2017 09:41 PM

So Remy Ma just dropped ANOTHER Nicki diss.. and it's trash. Should've known when to quit. Now she's looking desperate and weird.

Severian 03.02.2017 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
Dion is a legend but not like, the absolute best.. it's like Batman and Ra's al Ghul. Ha.


I like your analogy. I like very much.

louder 03.03.2017 09:24 AM

Oh shit, I didn't know Roc Marciano had a new album out.

http://www.stereogum.com/1926895/alb...m-of-the-week/

louder 03.03.2017 12:10 PM

By the way, I was just happy that someone put arrogant Nicki in her place.. "queen of rap" my ass. All of her albums are trash, and her only hits are either pop/EDM or assisted by other rappers (usually Drake and/or Wayne). How can you brag about sales when you don't even have a solo rap hit record?

louder 03.03.2017 12:14 PM

It's starting to get difficult for me to keep up with new albums. I feel like I have to force myself to hear them and that feeling sucks.

Severian 03.03.2017 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
By the way, I was just happy that someone put arrogant Nicki in her place.. "queen of rap" my ass. All of her albums are trash, and her only hits are either pop/EDM or assisted by other rappers (usually Drake and/or Wayne). How can you brag about sales when you don't even have a solo rap hit record?


Yeah man.

I mean... I'm not sure she was out in her place. I'm pretty sure she just thinks she's awesome, and this will only make her think that harder and more publicly. But yeah, she's a disappointment. Her career began and ended with her "Monster" verse as far as I'm concerned.

Severian 03.03.2017 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
It's starting to get difficult for me to keep up with new albums. I feel like I have to force myself to hear them and that feeling sucks.


Welcome to my world when I'm not working or freaking out about politics. Music is more to me than I even realize, and I know it's very important to me. But it often feels like a bit of a chore to stay current. And I'm not into wasting time on albums just because they're what's available, when I don't derive any true or lasting pleasure from hearing them.

It's depressing for sure. But music in general is on the rebound right now so things are slow. It will pick up again, at some point, and it will be a pleasure to hear new shit.

There are a few non-hip-hop artists I've been meaning to listen to. I've heard good things about Vagabon. But the fact that Pitchfork seems to have some kind of contract with her is disheartening. Makes me want to avoid it.

Everything pretty much eats shit right now. Except for this new Blanck Mass album, which is amazing, but isn't exactly filling me with joy (it's intense and punishing). Still..

 

Severian 03.04.2017 08:57 PM

Here's a question out of nowhere....

Whose verse on "Forever" do you think is best?

remember "forever?"

I aks because I recently played "Role Model" for nostalgia (that's a good beat even though I hate Em), and I mentioned to my girlfriend that Em did a track with Kanye and Drake and Wayne, and she hadn't heard it. I played a bit of it and she said Eminem had the best verse.

Y'all know how I love Kanye, but I've always thought Wayne ran that track. Eminem got the cushy spot ... the "Jay Z at the end of 'Diamonds'" spot. And he rapped fastest. But I think the track goes to Weezy. Back when he was still a viable artist and had some energy.

Dumb question, but there's fuckall else to talk about, so... what do ya think?

Severian 03.05.2017 12:32 AM

What's the opinion on Swet Shop Boys? Found their 2016 album at a library today. Listened to a few snippets. Das Racist dude is in there. Seems interesting, at least in concept. Cool album cover too.

 

louder 03.05.2017 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Here's a question out of nowhere....

Whose verse on "Forever" do you think is best?

remember "forever?"

I aks because I recently played "Role Model" for nostalgia (that's a good beat even though I hate Em), and I mentioned to my girlfriend that Em did a track with Kanye and Drake and Wayne, and she hadn't heard it. I played a bit of it and she said Eminem had the best verse.

Y'all know how I love Kanye, but I've always thought Wayne ran that track. Eminem got the cushy spot ... the "Jay Z at the end of 'Diamonds'" spot. And he rapped fastest. But I think the track goes to Weezy. Back when he was still a viable artist and had some energy.

Dumb question, but there's fuckall else to talk about, so... what do ya think?

I believe that Eminem having the best verse is the general public opinion, however his verse was just a bunch of nonsense. It marked the beginning of his annoying choppy flow thing though.

Wayne had the best verse, followed by Ye.

Mediocre song that hasn't aged well.

noisereductions 03.05.2017 01:13 AM

Best verse on Forever is... thats a tough one. But i think weezy.

louder 03.05.2017 01:14 AM

https://twitter.com/SunSentinel/stat...94483742375937

So Kodak Black is a rapist.. :( are we still going to support him?

noisereductions 03.05.2017 10:17 AM

I don't even know who that is.

Severian 03.05.2017 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
https://twitter.com/SunSentinel/stat...94483742375937

So Kodak Black is a rapist.. :( are we still going to support him?


I don't know about "we," but I'm not. Fuck that. Fuck that asshole. No. People don't get to rape people and still get money from me, unless its tax dollars for incarceration.

Fuck Kodak Black.

Severian 03.05.2017 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
I believe that Eminem having the best verse is the general public opinion, however his verse was just a bunch of nonsense. It marked the beginning of his annoying choppy flow thing though.

Wayne had the best verse, followed by Ye.

Mediocre song that hasn't aged well.


Yeah, Eminem got the scene stealing verse, and while it may have the most bars, it lacks originality and charisma. Ye's verse isn't one of his best, but it still just drips with Yeeziness. Sounds a bit phoned-in, a bit lazy for him, especially for the time, but still has more personality than Em and Drake combined.

Same with Wayne. His verse has even more raw Wayne personality, which in Wayne's World was a great thing. Problem is Wayne is a fairly one dimensional lyricist and rapper at best. His personality on record is therefore pretty one dimensional. Not the case with Kanye, whose multi-dimensionality might be the reason he's been so great for so long.

Probably one of Drake's better verses honestly, but still WEAK. And I hate that chorus. "Understand nothing was done for me," ... bullshit. Bitch.

louder 03.07.2017 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Severian
I don't know about "we," but I'm not. Fuck that. Fuck that asshole. No. People don't get to rape people and still get money from me, unless its tax dollars for incarceration.

Fuck Kodak Black.

Yeah if he gets charged then I'll be pretty much done with him. He's got a top 10 Billboard hit with Tunnel Vision now though.

Severian 03.07.2017 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
Yeah if he gets charged then I'll be pretty much done with him. He's got a top 10 Billboard hit with Tunnel Vision now though.


Well, it sounds like he is being charged (state of South Carolina is the plaintiff, charges are filed). But I guess if he hasn't been formally convicted then we should refrain from calling him a "rapist." Alleged rapist, for now.

But still... it's extremely unsettling.

And just a few weeks after Chief Keef was arrested for fucking home invasion. Funny that people think Kanye is the worst guy alive because he says dumb shit, or punches a guy who called his wife a "nigger-lover."

louder 03.07.2017 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Well, it sounds like he is being charged (state of South Carolina is the plaintiff, charges are filed). But I guess if he hasn't been formally convicted then we should refrain from calling him a "rapist." Alleged rapist, for now.

But still... it's extremely unsettling.

And just a few weeks after Chief Keef was arrested for fucking home invasion. Funny that people think Kanye is the worst guy alive because he says dumb shit, or punches a guy who called his wife a "nigger-lover."

Yeah my bad, until convinced that is.

And word. People are ridiculous.

louder 03.07.2017 04:10 PM

I'm still shocked about him having a top 10 hit.. then again, not really.

louder 03.07.2017 08:09 PM

So fucking bored of music nowadays.. we need a real masterpiece to shake things up.

Severian 03.07.2017 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
So fucking bored of music nowadays.. we need a real masterpiece to shake things up.


Well, it's still early. Lots of good electronic shit.

Also, Cruel Winter is still listed as a first quarter release on Wikipedia. I'm sure that's bullshit, and it wouldn't be a masterpiece anyway — just methadone for the addict. But it would be something.

Part of me thinks Kanye might be done. Thank GOD OR SATAN OR CTHULHU OR WHATEVER that I finally got a chance to see him.

I'm fucking blessed man.

noisereductions 03.07.2017 11:15 PM

This is def a slow year, or first quarter tho. We got spoiled for a while.

Rob Instigator 03.08.2017 09:28 AM

 

Severian 03.08.2017 10:07 AM

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WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.

BAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Rob... redeemed.

:)

Rob Instigator 03.08.2017 10:23 AM

I alomost shit my pants when I saw that.......

Severian 03.08.2017 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by noisereductions
This is def a slow year, or first quarter tho. We got spoiled for a while.


Truth.

Last year was just a what-the-fuckathon for hip-hop fans of all stripes. I mean, seriously, think about it, no matter what you were into, there was shit for you in 2016.

• Drake bitches, fools and boring white people had Views.
• Southern rap fiends had an endless supply of new shit from everyone from Kevin Gates to Lil Yachty to, like, three fucking albums from Young Thug (culminating in what's easily his best, even if I'm still not on board (JEFFERY).
• If you're into Future, he dropped an album like two months after his last album.
• If you're into backpack-and-a-Benz shit, Chance was ERRRRVERYWHERE. Unfortunately I really don't like Coloring Book as much as Acid Rap, but whatever.
• People who hate modern hip-hop, or just love '90s hip-hop, got new album by Common that also happens to be his best in years. Not to mention a motherfucking brand new certified classic from the genre's most influential group after 18 years of silence (Tribe).

• And for folks like me (and I think also you and louder), who want more than just solid beats, or technical bombast, and who appreciate the value of erasing genre boundaries and doing novel, challenging shit, there was of course The Life of Pablo, as well as untitled unmastered., and Blond(e). We Got it From Here... probably fits into this category as well, really, but it's more traditional than the rest.

I'm not really sure how anyone expected we'd bounce back from that. Not easily. It was like, we flew too close to the sun, the lot of us, and now we're walking around with singed feathers and sunburns, and everything feels kind of suckass.

Severian 03.08.2017 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I alomost shit my pants when I saw that.......


I tried to rep you but I've spent all my Rob rep points for time being.

Rob Instigator 03.08.2017 10:38 AM

It's like when Daydream Nation, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, And Justice For All, Nothing's Shocking, Surfer Rosa, Viva Hate, Land of Rape and Honey, the Great Adventures of Slick Rick, By All Means Neccesary, Hairway to Steven, etc. came out in 1988.

1988 was a BANNER year for awesome new sounds. Then it really petered out until around 1992 or so.....

louder 03.08.2017 12:50 PM

FREDDIE GIBBS ANNOUNCED A NEW ALBUM!

http://store.empi.re/products/pre-or...nly-live-2wice

Rob Instigator 03.08.2017 01:13 PM

My wife just found out last night donald glover was childish gambino. she has been digging this album
 

louder 03.08.2017 07:07 PM

You know, I still love SY's music and always will.. but watching them bully Nardwuar made me like them a bit less.

louder 03.09.2017 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
My wife just found out last night donald glover was childish gambino. she has been digging this album
 

A good album. Even though it's essentially just a bunch of P-Funk covers.

Rob Instigator 03.09.2017 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
A good album. Even though it's essentially just a bunch of P-Funk covers.


so is Dr. Dre's entire catalogue.

Severian 03.09.2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
so is Dr. Dre's entire catalogue.


Hahaha.

Severian 03.09.2017 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by louder
You know, I still love SY's music and always will.. but watching them bully Nardwuar made me like them a bit less.


Can you imagine being interviewed by that guy though?
Like, after working your ass off all night, playing shows... I mean, I'm not saying they were cool with him (Thurston and Lee made particular asses of themselves, I'm sorry to say), but I kinda get it.

I had some friends that reminded me of Nardwuar when I was living in the Northwest. That shit gets fucking old. There are people who really do that kind of challenging, aren't-you-cool, scenster Jeopary! shit ... just constantly name-dropping counterculture shit, trying to prove something about themselves or whoever they're talking to. It's a bit infuriating.

Also, the tour with Neil was a crappy one for SY. But yes, Thurston and Lee were embarrassing. I think you just have to roll with it and be willing to laugh at yourself, without cracking, or becoming the butt of a joke, and that's hard for a lot of people to do, especially when they're on camera. But... yeah, kind of sad and embarrassing.

Doesn't change how I feel about SY though. How I feel about SY has almost nothing to do with the people... everything to do with the sounds they made together.

Severian 03.09.2017 11:30 AM

Ok, how I feel about SY does have quite a bit to do with how I feel about Kim Gordon, who was pretty civil to Nard in the interview I'm thinking of, if I remember correctly.

Love Kim.

Gotta say, though, I've been kind of on the fence about Thurston as a person for a while now. It's not just the Kim stuff, and the stuff relating to the divorce. It's other things too. He shared his "Cease Fire" video, like, no shit, fucking FIFTY times or something on Facebook. And I hate that "ironic cool-guy crooner" voice thug he does where it just sounds like he's making fun of other singers' self-seriousness and has been doing it for so long that he's no longer in on the joke. He does this in the interview I'm thinking of also. When he has nothing to say. And it's fucking stupid and childish and not even a little bit funny.

I think he's matured a bit (damn well should have by now, since he was almost my age when he did that '91 interview... Jesus!) and that's reflected in his political views. But he's also kind of a perpetual child, and that's also reflected in his political views -- or, rather, how he chooses to express them (calling people "nazis," speaking only to the people who already agree with him, not seeking any meaningful paradigm shift in political and social discourse.)

But yeah. I love Kim. And I love Lee too. And Steve. Thurston's music is still golden, but as a guy, despite being perfectly friendly and charming in person, he's not a great role model.

louder 03.09.2017 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Severian
Can you imagine being interviewed by that guy though?
Like, after working your ass off all night, playing shows... I mean, I'm not saying they were cool with him (Thurston and Lee made particular asses of themselves, I'm sorry to say), but I kinda get it.

I had some friends that reminded me of Nardwuar when I was living in the Northwest. That shit gets fucking old. There are people who really do that kind of challenging, aren't-you-cool, scenster Jeopary! shit ... just constantly name-dropping counterculture shit, trying to prove something about themselves or whoever they're talking to. It's a bit infuriating.

Also, the tour with Neil was a crappy one for SY. But yes, Thurston and Lee were embarrassing. I think you just have to roll with it and be willing to laugh at yourself, without cracking, or becoming the butt of a joke, and that's hard for a lot of people to do, especially when they're on camera. But... yeah, kind of sad and embarrassing.

Doesn't change how I feel about SY though. How I feel about SY has almost nothing to do with the people... everything to do with the sounds they made together.

I get what you're saying. Nardwuar is an annoying dude, however his interviews are somewhat interesting because they show you a different side of the artist's personality, as they can really expose whether they're prone to anger issues and have a big ego.

I understand Thurston and Lee's frustration, but they really crossed the line when they acted like schoolyard bullies, which is inexcusable. Nas even called him "a fucking psycho", but at least he kept his cool which I respect a lot. Anderson .Paak just kept smiling and remained humble and chill throughout, even when Nardwuar tried to embarrass him.


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