Yeah it's not bad. I like the other single "Frequency" even more, now that's the type of music I want him to make.

Okay this will somewhat validate my complaint about hip hop: are there any rappers who can rap and play guitar or drums at the same time? I'd like to listen to that skill.

Not directly related, but y'all should watch Marvel's Like Cage. It's full of great hip-hop and soul and funk music spanning decades.

Anderson .Paak plays drums while rapping in all of his live shows.

I've seen the trailer, looks cool. Will watch.

Avoid me eh? That's it! I'm going to write my own Ebonic Hip Hop salute to my Black Brothas with guitar accordion and coconuts. I'll be back in a few months. Cheers!

I just gave you an answer though. Look up any Anderson .Paak live performance on YouTube.

Yeah I just saw it. I'm a loser jumping to conclusions with a bias. It was AWESOME. Thanks for your patience in correcting me

Because I jumped to conclusions, I will leave this thread until I come up with the honkiest Ebonic Hip Hop I can imagine and post it on here. It's obvious Hip Hop is not the problem, it's that my taste is so specific unless I create it myself it won't be done. I am a 'square'. I like wholesome hip hop and haven't heard much profound stuff. Sorry to involve you in my own insecurities. Goodbye.

it's really the use of the word and whether or not yr racist. I've lived in Georgia my whole life and im still shocked at how the word is thrown around. my girlfriend, not real girlfriend, uses it all the time when I visit her with her neighbors.

it goes:

white girl: "I told that nigga to get da fuck out of my house, he's just trying to butter me up." nigga meaning white dude.

black girl: "I hear you sister. yep, he's trying to butter you up."

me: shocked, no matter how many times I've heard this where I live.


you can tell me this or that but, I am a product of my environment and I could give you worse examples than that. im still not used to certain racism. then there's things that go on like the dialogue I typed above.

America is a huge country with different fractions of different fractions with different cultures and ideas. it's alien to give an opinion with the opposite opinion a thousand miles away.

it amazes me that so few people can still control a huge amount of the population.

see, this has nothing to do with me. I get nervous around lots of white people because I didn't grow up around lots of white people. I go to all black clubs and feel right at home. I go to all white clubs and feel frigid as hell. same with our school systems.

totally different setting and totally different situation.

if I lived in an all white setting with whiteys throwing around the N word like crazy, I would have to slam some faces in. the. ground. I guarantee you these are same white people that accuse the world of being racist when they are the most racist of all. it seems odd and alien to me to experience what I do then read about what it's like to others.

don't blame southerners, blame the Gary Indiana lonely white assholes. don't argue with me, I will come through the screen and slap yr white ass.;)

you know who is the most racist people are? northern city non-black inner american city white people. because they feel safe in their coffee shops in the RIGHT side of town. discussing how racist everyone else is while secretly being racist. if there is a divided fraction it, surely is in the northern big cities. safe on the white side. dangerous on the black side of town. again, tell im wrong but they're scared ass white people who don't have any black friends.

no! you are just a white boy!! you white boy!! with inexperienced white boy experiences. so if anyone wants to call me a racist they can eat a fucking dick. i highly, highly doubt you've experienced racism in your life. whether in the first person or not.

on that note: im still gonna call my dog "nigga" with a heavy southern accent because well, he is mi nigga and the coolest nigga. nigga.

product of my environment. I bet I have more black friends than you do or would ever have.

ah ha!:)

[quote=pepper_green]on that note: im still gonna call my dog "nigga" with a heavy southern accent because well, he is mi nigga and the coolest nigga.
[quote]

No offense, but this kind of thing makes you an active part of the problem, though I'm sure its not intentional.


This is pretty shitty reasoning. Obviously black people are extremely divided about their feelings about this word. Knowing black people doesn't have any bearing on whether the word is ok to say. For many black people, it's completely unacceptable even as slang.

The whole "My friends are black so I get it" argument is the oldest and most idiotic one in the book.

Solange's album is one of the best I've heard in a long time..

Yeah, I've been meaning to get that new Solange.

Dude, did you know her middle name is Piaget?!
Maybe that means nothing to you, or maybe it means something cooler than what it means to me. But to me, it sounds like our girl was named after one of the pioneering cognitive development theorists, Swiss psychologist Jean Piaget.
This guy:



Eh?

I've been meaning to lay some thoughts down about 808s & Heartbreak.

You know how the album is almost universally viewed as a "cold" and almost "clinical" album that sounds like detachment and alienation and fear? (That's the lore anyway, propagated by pitchfork and the like)

Well, I have to say... honestly, to me the album is perhaps the warmest sounding thing Kanye's ever done. Yeah, I get the alienation part, but I don't think it's as cold as all that. Not at all. In fact, for a "minimalist" album made with so many synths and digital doohickeys, it sounds a hell of a lot like a big fluffy microfiber blanket to me.

There are a couple of moments that really do sound haunted, like "See You in My Nightmares" ... but pretty much everything else on the album makes me really happy. I'd say it's his warmest album next to Late Registration.

Even though "Paranoid" and "Robocop" (man I Fucking love Robocop, for real) deal with unpleasant subject matter, they're delivered in an utterly joyful way. Robocop is like Ye'a "Strawberry Fields" or some shit. Does anyone think that's a sad song? Even "Street Lights" is totally lovely, and it's perhaps the saddest Singh on the album.

Just throwin that out there. In the grand scheme of things, 808s is infinitely happier than anything that came after it.

Also, I think it's still misunderstood. People call it low key, but the grooves are bumpin throughout. After "Say You Will" which is admittedly pretty cold and clinical sounding.

[/waxing Kanyesophical]

In 2008 it sounded like a transitional album. In 2016 it sounds like a masterpiece. For real.

Amazing is my fav Kanye track of all time.

When I'm listening to it, I don't want to hear anything else. When I'm in the middle of 808s, MBDTF doesn't even exist for me. It doesn't have a weak moment.

I saw Kanye just in time, it seems. Tour dates have been postponed after the robbery. Yay for me! Sucky for the Wests.

Edit: Wayne's "you think your shit don't stink but you are Mrs. Pee-yew" is its weak moment.

[quote=Severian][quote=pepper_green]on that note: im still gonna call my dog "nigga" with a heavy southern accent because well, he is mi nigga and the coolest nigga.


it was idiotic. all of it. idiotic drunk garble. im just an idiotic drunk garbler trying to get at someone's goat and make sense in some drunken garble way. it never works so, i'll just fall deeper in the drunken garble miasma. I have neither the consciousness nor the sobriety to wonder if I've embarrassed or explained myself yet again. I really should be banned. on that note: I don't think im the problem more so than me acting out the caricature of the problem. that seems to be the problem at least and the barrier between me and you and the drunken garble.

now that I've re-read your response Sev, im thinking maybe by "dog" you thought I meant "dawg". im a crazy white boy but im not that crazy. I would have to mention the word "wigger" then a back and forth racial response ad infinitum with lots of drunken garble.

Norf Norf (white lady remix) https://youtu.be/o8NmvEt_cVA?t=1m26s

I love how she says "never no problem spraying no witnesses, no face, no case, been with the shit.. hopped out broad day then emptied clips".. then she warns us: "this is where it REALLY gets messed up".... "cut class cause it wasn't 'bout cash". :o

ha! dat white gurl know she likes it. why deny.

You know this shit is really tough for me to get my head around personally.
I listen to this stuff (and much, much worse stuff than Vince, who's downright repentant compared to a lot of the gangster rap we grew up with), and it almost never makes makes me feel anything other than the song's groove... I don't feel horrified or stunned, and I think of myself as a pretty sensitive and non-violent person.

But whenever someone else takes issue with a rap lyric, I usually do have to admit that the shit's pretty goddamn offensive. Watching that woman recite the "hoes need abortions" line was decidedly unpleasant. If these lyrics were coming from the mouth of a friend of mine, I'd be horrified.

But I'm not horrified by the music. Certainly not Vince's. Love it in fact. But once those lyrics become once removed from their context as expressive, open-to-interpretation elements of a man's art, they start to freak me out a bit.

I genuinely don't know why this is. Again, not shocked or even unsettled by the music itself, but show me a white person saying those words and I'll get pretty fucking disturbed.

I think it must have to do with the fact that I know hip-hop is supposed to be this way. It's uniquely suited to be an outlet for musings on violence, drugs, sex, and social unease. I expect it. But I still find the phrase "hoes need abortions" pretty ugly and terrifying when it's outside of the context of music.

For me that video was 100% more upsetting than "Norf Norf."

Vince just shows it like it is. He always speaks about how most rappers are fake and hates how they glorify gang life on their songs. He even funds programs to help the youth in Long Beach so the kids can have some other shit to do besides killing each other.

I always found it interesting how Vince looks like a regular person - skinny, buzzcut, no tats, doesn't rock any jewelry.. yet is supposedly one of the rappers who have done more fucked up shit than anyone (he gets a pass for talking about Crippin' on his music so you know he's real).

Holy shit I just realized Chance looks a LOT like MJ. In his facial structure, nose and eyes. Chano's a little ah... healthier looking for sure, but there's a definite similarity there.

What the hell is MJ doing there? Is that, like, the "I'm Captain Hook" sign?

(Actually it probably is come to think of it.)

why you always hating on gang culture? some dudes took your wallet once or nah?

MJ made his name in the 60's and 70's by dancing like a mother and sung like a soulful angel. he had a get out of jail free card. no one can match him ever. his Jackson 5 days is some of my favorite singing.

my first love. I still love MJ.

Well, I certainly don't like gang culture, but I wasn't hating on it when I poked fun at MJ's Captain Hook sign throwing.

Well now I'm confused because that dude to his left is making the same sign.

Oh man you guys just have to watch Luke Cage!
There's a scene where Method Man makes a cameo, playing himself, and it's not cheesy. Luke saves him and Meth's like "It's you!" And Luke says, "no, it's YOU. "P.L.O. Style was my joint back in the day!"

Hah!

Very cool for a fan of both Wu-Tang and Marvel comics. In fact the whole series makes nods to hip hop of all varieties, from Sugarhill Gang to A$AP Rocky and Nicki Minaj. And Ghostface's 12 Reasons to Die is featured more than once in the soundtrack. I think the score writers even took a big cue from GFK and Adrian in composing the incidental music throughout the show.

Good shit. Especially in this era of police shootings. It's nice to see a bulletproof black man who looks like Kanye on steroids kick ass all over Harlem.

EDIT: Okay, so he raps later and it gets a little corny. But still... pretty awesome.

yeah that was my point,
they ALL were throwing up the same sign yo

:eek:

They ALL love Captain Hook?!?!