lol, asscroft

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You're justifying the threatened action of Trump to repeal Daca by executive order based on the premise that Obama implemented it by executive order. You're justifying circumventing the legislative process by saying someone else did it. So your argument against against this kind of overreach, while justifying more overreach to fix it, is flawed to the point of not being much of an argument for anything. You can be against both or neither based on what you've said... unless you've turned the issue into an emotional one for some reason.

Good thing you put ad hominem in italics and loosely defined it. Certainly none of us have ever taken an introductory college composition course.

Yeah, ok, but DACA wasn't truly unconstitutional. You know this. Of course there's an interpretation to all of this nonsense, but the fact of the matter is that the U.S. Constitution and Congress have, always and willingly, given the Executive Office this kind of power. It's a matter of prioritization and the president has the constitutional authority to prioritize an issue by executive order if the legislature can't get its shit together. It's not truly circumventing the legislative process. It's indeed part of the legislative process. It can be undone or blocked by the Supreme Court, and that too is technically constitutional.

Just saying "Daca was unconstitutional, even Obama admitted it" (quoting shittily-written headlines here, not you) is missing the point and simplifying the issue for effect. Emotional effect, actually, which you seem to frown on. The word "unconstitutional" is a reliable gut-punch for the public, and it's wielded far too often.

I'm pretty sure you know this. You've quoted Article II plenty of times. You know both the executive order and the potential rescinding of it are technically constitutional with loads of precedent.

your argument is caca

you're an obnoxious dissembler

i concede nothing

Wow. Symbols is right. You are a dissembler.

I can't tell if you're deliberately obfuscating my point about the constitutionality of Daca, but you're factually wrong about it being unconstitutional. That's the deal. Period.

"undermine the wage value of American labor"

talk to the 1%

Ok, so you don't like the constitution, or our interpretation of it is flawed. Not my prob. Take it up with a forefather.

habitual drunkard skunk wouldn't be employable even if there were infinite positions to be filled, and as an immigrant and a traitor (he claims to be "german" and loyal to the british crown) he should be deported on that basis alone, instead of being a drain on the public coffers.

but you know how it is with the deplorables-- they'd rather blame someone else than admit and fix their own faults. hate "the guvmint" and "mexicans" but live off disability checks--paid for in part by mexicans. fucking bullshit and drunkard denial is what that is.

fuckem. lazy. racist fuck.

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eta: no mercy from me for those unwilling to be merciful to young, hard-working, law-abiding young people who through no fault of their own got stuck in limbo in america. if law-breaking is inheritable, then let's try skunk for his great-grandmammy's crimes.

in a hurry, so quickly to say:

bullshit claims of socialism when you lack solidarity. all you want is more government checks: pure self-interest. a confused ayn randite parasite without a job is not a socialist.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-taxes/499604/ - say "thank you"

that old bootlegger who stole land from the indians? please! she was here illegally. now you go back to the land of your ancestors.

eat shit. and die.

Saying stuff like that just negates any argument you may have. You're better than that; don't stoop to that level.

i know what you mean, and thanks for saying that, but i've lost patience arguing with this sort of weasel.

it's pointless to argue with those who feign reason in bad faith. i called him an obnoxious dissembler and i meant it.

like this shit about "illegals don't pay social security"

utter bollocks and drunken lies--the working undocumented are supporting his entitled jobless existence

but instead of saying thank you he wants to punish a bunch of blameless kids, while claiming "socialism"

i've no time for dialogue with the insincere

and to fulfill godwin's law: how long would you spend "convincing" goebbels?

(godwin btw says it's ok to call nazis nazis)

thanks again friend. i know what you mean. seriously. but it doesn't apply here. or to that shitbird tesla.

there's a time to have a conversation and there's a time to strike back at the vaseline that attempts to slide in the nazi cock. i've had it with the toxic liars.

fuck and destroy "national socialists" and their bullshit "logic".

as someone said recent Kid Rock speech resembles scene from Idiocracy

Holy shit.

Went to youtube. Looked for vid. Found it, but couldn't stand the applauding comments. "A little less bad language would be nice" was most scathing criticism.

So I go to another channel. Same thing. Another. Another. Another.

They love him.

Jesus fuck he could win.

there was a washington post article today about st augustine's "city of god" in light of/remembrance of 9/11-- the writer happened to teach that text that day as the towers crumbled.

one of the points that augustine makes (i'll confess, i've never been much interested in reading him until now) is how civilizations can suddenly collapse. he wrote it seems in the aftermath of the fall of rome, and claimed that those who pursued the mastery of others were doomed to fail in the end.

while some may dispute this and argue that rome actually just changed hands rather than fall, it seems to have been perceived as a sudden collapse of power by augustine and his contemporaries.

i don't know if this is the end of anything at all, but i know that ends can come quicker than anyone expects. so i guess the lesson is to always expect them quickly, and be ready for what may come.

with this im not endorsing alpacalypse scenarios by the way. but history clearly hasn't "ended" as fools claimed at the end of the last century. the shit will keep hitting the fan one way or another, always.

From my quite 5 minute googling, it looks like it's mostly older generations that voted Trump. The Kid Rock stuff above brought it to mind. It's something that can't be completely blamed on Millennials. Would be interesting how many senior citizens would get behind Kid Rock, who they probably don't know at all.

Just as bad, but in a different way, senator Roy Moore

see, there you go again-- one step forward, 2 steps back. trying to look reasonable but deep down sick with hate.

you meekly admit to your false claims when cornered with evidence-- but not without first claiming some sort of superiority and preaching a perverse brand of selective solidarity. the classist socialist! lol. nazi volksgemeinschaft.

as basically a beggar, you're more lumpenproletariat than the hard-working, enterepreneurial immigrants who are full of revolutionary potential.

just look at those DACA kids-- they're young and hard-working and ambitious and educated and conscious and organized, and they don't mind paying for your disability. whereas all you have to look forward to is your drink and your cigarette smokes and your resentment and your dinosaur politics.

what sort of mental illness makes you think that you're superior to them? they're the ones supporting you with their taxes.

your national socialism is garbage. your claims of superiority are garbage. today's mexican is yesterday's jew/gypsy/slav/assorted "degenerate". same fucking broken record. same loser claims. we can see through your bullshit. nazi punks fuck off.

Jesus Christ man... You know goddamn well he hasn't calling you a Nazi, because you obviously come to a Sonic Youth board m, and it's highly unlikely that any Sonic Youth fan would not pick up on this reference:
Dead Kennedys - Nazi Punks Fuck Off

He was just saying something, tangential to his previous points. Like a meme, only the old version. With, like, real things.

This is starting to feel like a gang-up though, and I'm not really comfortable with gang-ups. I don't think Symbols is either. But my personal opinion aside from anything anyone else has said is that you're both a troll and a dissemlbler, intentionally missing and obfuscating points, trolling and losing the thread deliberately.

You're accusing someone of "otherizing" because they (gasp) quoted Dead Kennedys in your presence. Probably to be funny. The point of the discussion is now buried under too many layers of shit to adequately proceed with any fruitful discussion.

Not that you want that.

What has Robert Schunk said that makes him a troll, other than disagree with the majority of posters in this thread? His reluctance to embrace the lumpenproletariat is perfectly in-keeping within Marxist philosophy (The Eighteenth Brumaire?). You can argue their case but the fact is that the Left was born out of 'selective solidarity' and to question a man's Leftist credentials because he isn't in solidarity with the lumpenproletariat means you'd also have to question the Leftism of Marx and Engels and Trotsky, who also showed no solidarity with them.

trotsky and marx and engels can eat a bag of dicks, but that's besides the point.

the point is that the skunk himself is much more lumpenproletariat than the kids he wishes to persecute. the kids study and work, while he is a parasite. in order to build himself the ego illusion of superiority he arbitrarily proclaims these students and workers "lumpenproletariat". how are students and workers "lumpenproletariat"? through the power of drunken denial, of course. fuck his twisted drunken logic.

i know i normally advocate more civil discourse here but there's a point where i lose my shit and must bring out the knives. low blows for low blows.

DACA stands for deferred action on childhood arrivals. it deals with about a million kids who were brought here by their "illegal" parents. they have lived here all their lives and know no other homeland than this--they are socially and culturally and psychologically, except for their place of birth, americans.

now there are about 11 million "illegals" in this country. there is also a huge demand for workers with a work ethic who aren't looking for excuses to file for disability and collect government checks. just go look at the hondurans who are rebuilding new orleans. so it's not just the immigrants who are a part of this thing-- it takes two to tango.

but okay, let's say it's all their fault for a moment, and let's put aside the whole debate on the fact that this is a country of immigrants, and if you want to discuss the legality of all the many immigration waves just ask an indian for their take, and let's not remember for a moment how 1/3 of this country used to be mexico. put that aside and say "it's all on the immigrants" for the sake of argument.

you can't deport 11 million people without turning this country into a police state. sorta like burning the house to get rid of the fleas. so the obama administration decided to set priorities for removals-- criminals being the prime target for deportation (the real lumpenproletariat), other people later, so as not to clog up the works.

obama actually deported tons of people. he didn't have to deal with so many border crossings in part due to improved economic conditions in mexico (there's your side effect of trade), but he pursued removals (from the country) and returns (at the border) systematically.

at the same time as they focused on criminals and border crossers, they decided to show some mercy to the blameless and say they would DEFER the removal of people who arrived here as children, provided that they meet certain conditions-- finish high school, have no criminal record, pursue work or higher education, etc. (how the fuck is that lumpenproletariat?)

while obama pursued deportations more effectively and more clinically than trump has so far, our current populist fearmonger decided to rule by gestures and demonize people publicly instead. his threat to cancel DACA, and put innocent kids in the same plane as drug mules and cartel assassins, was nothing but a piece of red meat thrown to the dogs. bullshit and propaganda. thank fuck he's abandoned it for now. i'm sure he'll dangle more bait when he needs it.

the skunk should worry more about his own parasitical status instead of trying to blame the innocent for his non-existent wages. if he wants children persecuted for the crimes of their parents then let's look at any possible cheapjack mafioso ancestors he might have and all the horse thieves hanging from his family tree. i'm sure we'll find something.

sorry but there's a point where i start seeing red. if he wants to dish out callousness he'll get it back from me.

Aaand, back on topic, and also not so,

The false 911 piety of Trump and his fake wife is just sickening

Also, why the fuck to I have to see Steve Carell every where, please make it stop.

^ You mean this video? Yeah, I puked my breakfast.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...11779331690496

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RS isn't a troll. And never mind the hypocrisy or even factual inaccuracies. He's mean-spirited. That's all.

Yes, I really think that's enough of a condemnation. As that great bumper sticker reads: I'd rather have a bleeding heart than no heart at all.

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I'm pissed at the celebrities who have demonstrated a commitment to humanitarian causes and have otherwise revealed themselves to be people of character--like Tom Hanks or George Clooney.

They sometimes get asked if they'd ever run for an office, and they are flattered but answer that they are unqualified and don't know enough to perform the job properly.

That was a good answer. A few years ago.

If Kid Rock even knows how many senators come from each state, I'll eat a cowboy hat.

Yeah, the best thing for the RS's of the world is the ignore function. One celeb who has shown what he can accomplish is Al Franken, what a great guy he is!

LOVE Al Franken. By the way, Carrie Brownstein once said that her dream ticket would be Franken for President, Jeanene Garofalo VP. :)

^ Franken and Garofalo? Yeah, I'd love to see how much Jew-hating this country can muster.

My guess? A lot.

*Rep jizz*

Oh my, I'm sorry.

no charges in Freddie Gray killing

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000009

"intersectionality"

(male, black, poor)

THANKS, JEFF SESSIONS! :confused:

it's open season on "blacks", y'all. "yeeeeehaw???"

this country i going down the shitter.

i'm readying my bug-out bag

the white supremacists are out in force--- and who can stop them?

ghostbusters???

in 1848 they invaded mexico in the name of manifest destiny

today? who the fuck knows!

i'm asking for a friend here. can i stay at your house? can i hide between the walls like anne frank?

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"In light of this reported decision, we are once again calling on DOJ to actively support -- not undermine -- the consent decree and to provide Baltimore with all federal resources available to improve our police force. Doing anything less would be unconscionable," the lawmakers said in a joint statement."

federal resources: they'll be issuing "how to kill a n--. a field manual" to all eligible officers.

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i'm trying to not lose my shit but it's hard. feels we're at the edge of an all-out racial warfare. and it's fucking global-- it's catching in other places. yes-- i've done my research.

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singapore, do you copy?

Do you see how the bully trio works on this board? They are incapable of discussion, all they can do is smear, and I will again assert their goal is to destroy this board.

Severan is so insecure scared by what I say that he can't simply ignore me, but has to try and get on the board to ignore me!

The 4 yuaners are very busy on this board - some days its seems that Severan answers EVERY single post, so he's getting his 4 yuan.

Severan: "

I agree. Now can we please talk about the real issues? Trump is being covertly drugged by deep state actors.

Explains a hell of a lot, I have to admit.


Deep state operatives are putting sedatives in President Trump’s food and drink to make him more pliable and disoriented, according to multiple White House sources.

Insiders close to Trump noticed his slurred speech and sleepiness over the past several months, which are strikingly similar to changes observed in former Presidents John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, both of whom were sedated.

https://www.infowars.com/deep-state-...p-sources-say/

Nah, I really don't like gang-ups or insult volleys. I don't like being on the receiving end of internet bashing and I don't like serving it up either. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but that's the truth. Sometimes I get pissed, and name-call and blow up, but it always leaves me feeling shitty.


Nothing that has ever happened in this board has anything to do with any "insecurity" of mine caused by you. Again, believe what you want, but that's way off the mark, and just makes me even more inclined to think that you have no interest in actually discussing anything.

come on! tesla brought a lot of good laughs. why so serious?

i was hoping for more info on the drugging of our füh... commander chief i mean!


this. is journalistic gold.

I actually watched this the other day. The best bit was where he was saying that he could actually be killed before the show was over because of this "revelation"

obviously he was killed during an intermission and replaced by a clone!

pretending it's otherwise just serves the conspiracy

hard to understand why someone comes to a bbs based on a creative, avant garde politically left band and expects to not be criticized about their right wing opinions. Isn't Stormfront or Reddit a better place for these posts? Why not head over there and see if there are some leftists to bother?

there is a difference between criticism and never ending bullying, smearing and disruption made possible by the anonymity this board provides. I can't even post on a music thread without being attacked. They swarm like empty thetans to an actual soul.

I used like to discuss stuff with most everyone on the board, but the empty thetan bully team disrupt and take over pretty much every thread with jabbering template language. I have them ignored its amazing to see how much they talk to themselves on some threads. Who has time for that shit everyday?

The reasons I would post something is to get the boardies to disprove it or to inform. That simple act of sharing greatly threatens the empty thetan bully trio, but I don't expect to see their tantrums anymore through the magic of ignore.