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louder 09.15.2016 10:05 AM

I agree that he's not a very good rapper in the traditional sense of the word.. off the top of my head, I can't really name one verse from him which I can confidently say that he killed. At least as opposed to Drake, he's fine with being a complete cheeseball and doesn't try to act cooler than what he really is. I think that's a part of his charm. His honesty and vulnerability make him relatable in a way. Plus he has a knack for melody and it works for him every now and then.

"Soundtrack 2 My Life", "CuDi Zone", "Pursuit of Happiness", "Day N Night", "Mr. Rager" and "Just What I Am" are all very good pop rap songs.

Severian 09.15.2016 10:23 AM

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I agree that he's not a very good rapper in the traditional sense of the word.. off the top of my head, I can't really name one verse from him which I can confidently say that he killed. At least as opposed to Drake, he's fine with being a complete cheeseball and doesn't try to act cooler than what he really is. I think that's a part of his charm. His honesty and vulnerability make him relatable in a way. Plus he has a knack for melody and it works for him every now and then.

"Soundtrack 2 My Life", "CuDi Zone", "Pursuit of Happiness", "Day N Night", "Mr. Rager" and "Just What I Am" are all very good pop rap songs.


Yeah, I agree. He's got an ear that occasionally works really well for him. Those are all good songs. "Pursuit of Happiness" was HUGE, and for good reason. I don't listen to it anymore, but it was a great pop song for the time it was released.

louder 09.15.2016 01:19 PM

There are rappers who are corny and fine with it (Kid Cudi), there are rappers who are corny but try to act tough (Drake), rappers who are your normal average guy but try to seem important by pretending to be smart (J. Cole), rappers who are actually smart (Kendrick), rappers who are actually tough and would probably kick your ass (The Game, Gucci Mane), and rappers who are effortlessly and naturally cool (Snoop, 2Pac, Method Man).

Rob Instigator 09.15.2016 01:37 PM

and then there is Rakim the Microphone Fiend, The R, The God MC,

louder 09.15.2016 02:27 PM

 

Severian 09.15.2016 02:32 PM

Ok, I just listened to "Creepers" and now I feel bad for ripping on Cudi.
He is lovably, it's true. And relatable, absolutely. And this song just gets me so fucking fired up its ridiculous.

"Creepers/Cudi" - Kanye West Presents: CRUEL SUMMER

Listen with me fellas. Let it bring all those heavy feels back :)

If I had one wish it'd be to have more wishes ... DUH
Fuck tryna make it rhyme


Awesome. Love that lyric.

Severian 09.15.2016 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
There are rappers who are corny and fine with it (Kid Cudi), there are rappers who are corny but try to act tough (Drake), rappers who are your normal average guy but try to seem important by pretending to be smart (J. Cole), rappers who are actually smart (Kendrick), rappers who are actually tough and would probably kick your ass (The Game, Gucci Mane), and rappers who are effortlessly and naturally cool (Snoop, 2Pac, Method Man).


There's also rappers who can't be reasonably placed in any single category... who often don't even qualify as rappers, or for whom "rapping" is only a fraction of what they do. You know who I'm talking about.

There's also fake ass pimp billionaire rappers, like Rick Ross, who act out a character based on a fiction they've created about themselves. And then the are those who actually are Forbes 500 level multimedia moguls and/or previous or former drug and gun running pimps. I'm thinking about Jay Z here.

Severian 09.15.2016 02:40 PM

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Man have you heard that new song? Perfect Illusion? It's SO bad. It's like being pummeled with a limp dick. Just redundant, hackey crap, produced by that Tame Impala guy.

louder 09.15.2016 02:51 PM

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Man have you heard that new song? Perfect Illusion? It's SO bad. It's like being pummeled with a limp dick. Just redundant, hackey crap, produced by that Tame Impala guy.

Yeah unfortuantely, that song was SO disappointing. :(

I just want Gaga to make a masterpiece so badly, her talent is rare for today's pop standards. Just listen to Speechless (the best song in her entire discography BY FAR) and her cover of Stevie's I Wish. Wow.

louder 09.15.2016 02:55 PM

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There's also rappers who can't be reasonably placed in any single category... who often don't even qualify as rappers, or for whom "rapping" is only a fraction of what they do. You know who I'm talking about.

There's also fake ass pimp billionaire rappers, like Rick Ross, who act out a character based on a fiction they've created about themselves. And then the are those who actually are Forbes 500 level multimedia moguls and/or previous or former drug and gun running pimps. I'm thinking about Jay Z here.

Ha, yep.

louder 09.15.2016 04:35 PM

RZA praises Trump and says he's a FOX News fan:
http://pitchfork.com/news/68297-rza-...th-paul-banks/

Comes across as ironic throughout that whole interview though.

noisereductions 09.15.2016 06:42 PM

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You got it man. I said I'd do it and Ima do it! I actually own that album... or owned it. It's in a massive pile or alphabetized box somewhere. But I bought it when I first started getting into hip-hop, and it fell to the wayside. That happens when you amass as much music as I tend to. In my youth I hit the record store every time I had a pay day (or even an allowance), and that trend continued into my adulthood. I have probably a couple hundred albums that I've purchased that never got heavy play from me, and this is one of them.

I promise, I swear on all that is good and holy, that I will track down my copy. If I can't, I will buy it on iTunes (there's a hip-hop classics sale going on right now... Lots of good '90s and 2000s albums from $5.99). So don't you worry. I'll get this shit done and report back.

As far as other Common goes, I have Like Water for Chocolate, One Day It'll All Make Sense, Be, Finding Forever, and Nobody's Smiling. The one I really liked was Be, even though it's almost too goddamn happy at times. When I think of Common, I think of Be. I know that probably sounds insane to a big fan, but that's just the way it is. I lost interest in his solo albums around the time he started popping up in commercials (Finding Forever). But I do like him, and I respect him, and he's got a great voice (like GLC and Cam'ron, his deep gravely delivery has always appealed to me).

So fear not. I'm on it.


waiting... :)

Severian 09.15.2016 09:41 PM

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waiting... :)


God dammit, I JUST got on here to let you know that I wasn't able to locate my cd, so I just bought the damn thing again on iTunes. Listened to the first few songs on my way home. I like it, and I see what you mean about getting a better appreciation for Kanye (the opening lyrics to I remember HER... obviously this album was a big influence on Ye).

I'll listen to the rest soon and get back to you.

Meanwhile, have ANY of you listened to the new De La Soul?'

noisereductions 09.15.2016 09:56 PM

Oh man please do. I cant wait.

I gotta get on that De La I know...

noisereductions 09.15.2016 10:01 PM

also the best Common song ever is a remix that has never been on an album or compilation: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2x4d73

noisereductions 09.15.2016 10:04 PM

"do you even know where I'm going?
I ain't scared of you muthafuckas
though I am of The Omen"

noisereductions 09.15.2016 10:07 PM

FYI: I'm not trying to come down on you or anything, but in my teens Common was wayyyy up there for me man. I feel like his latter years really has destroyed his image which is a shame. But back in the 90's that dude was so interesting. He was in his own world. Can I Borrow A Dollar is alright, and has its moments. But Resurrection and One Day are incredible. Like Water is up there too. But I'm serious, back then I thought of him as Chicago's Nas. This dude was killing it and no one knew it.

Severian 09.16.2016 12:17 AM

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FYI: I'm not trying to come down on you or anything, but in my teens Common was wayyyy up there for me man. I feel like his latter years really has destroyed his image which is a shame. But back in the 90's that dude was so interesting. He was in his own world. Can I Borrow A Dollar is alright, and has its moments. But Resurrection and One Day are incredible. Like Water is up there too. But I'm serious, back then I thought of him as Chicago's Nas. This dude was killing it and no one knew it.


Dude, no worries. I know you're not coming down on me.
If there's one thing I understand it's the frustration of having an extremely potent personal relationship with someone's art, and wanting to share that with people. It's hard to explain, and odds are they aren't going to feel the way you do about it exactly, but it's worth pushing people to give this stuff a shot, because if they DO love it like you do, then you can bond with them about it.

Trust me. I've been there, in varying degrees, for pretty much my entire life. I'm still there. I want people to hear what I hear in the music I love.

So don't worry. I re-bought the album (seriously, I did... today... just because of this), and I'm going to spin like mad. I wasn't in to common in '94. Wish I had been. It would have perhaps set me on a more direct path to where I've ended up with hip hop.

Anyway I'll get back to you on the rest of the album. For sure. It's my pleasure.

louder 09.16.2016 01:10 AM

 

Severian 09.16.2016 09:56 AM

So I'm hearing some buzz about a fan meet and greet at the Kanye show. Not sure if it's legit or not, but there's also going to be some sort of press junket and I have a press pass and my editor said could use it if I wanted to. So either way, it looks like I'lve been presented with an opportunity to at least ask him a question.

it's got me thinking about whether or not I'd actually want to meet the guy. I've decided no. I don't think I do. I'd like to think I'd be able to approach it like a professional, but I probably couldn't. What would happen if he did something I found repulsive or insulting or condescending? Would I be able to go back to all those songs and albums, and still feel like he was just talking to me? Almost certainly not.

Severian 09.16.2016 09:59 AM

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Wow, what a strange amalgam of styles. He's really rocking the whole bum-thug-gangsta-skater-hipster-in-a-Lambo vibe.

He kinda looks like a homeless dude who just hopped into someone's car for kicks. Like, I can imagine police circling around him if the view were to pan out a bit, haha.

louder 09.16.2016 01:41 PM

I feel you lol. Speaking of.. last night The Game threatened to beat up Meek Mill (apparently for snitching): https://instagram.com/p/BKacdHOBv_M

And now he dropped a diss track titled "92 Bars": https://youtube.com/watch?v=GeedNjmiVZE

louder 09.16.2016 01:41 PM

Damn this track is hot. Game went in.

louder 09.16.2016 03:00 PM

Could be album promo as well. Not gonna lie Game has been making nice music, he deserves to have some buzz going on for him.

louder 09.16.2016 04:26 PM

Listening to "Faces" by Mac Miller now.. damn I slept on this tape. Last project I've heard from him was Watching Movies with the Sound Off.. need to catch up.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.16.2016 04:31 PM

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Could be album promo as well. Not gonna lie Game has been making nice music, he deserves to have some buzz going on for him.


Agreed, I particularly like the past few records in the recent twelve month span, not necessarily his "best" work but definitely some good and fun shit. Really I think these are glorified mix-tapes BUT that isn't an important distinction as they remain indeed nice music

louder 09.16.2016 05:52 PM

When D'Angelo was struggling to find inspiration during the final stages of making Voodoo, he spoke to Prince who gave him a great advice: "do not think - just create", which ultimately helped him finish the album.

That's obviously what Game has been doing; just creating a lot without thinking about it too much, and I think that's a great mindset to have for an artist. Not everyone is a "take 4 years to work on an album" perfectionist type.

noisereductions 09.16.2016 10:15 PM

was listening to Black On Both Sides today and it always kills me how awesome "May-December" is as a closer. It's basically this faux soul jazz piece. And it is REALLY an indication of how eclectic Mos Def's career will be after that. Just saying.

noisereductions 09.16.2016 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
When D'Angelo was struggling to find inspiration during the final stages of making Voodoo, he spoke to Prince who gave him a great advice: "do not think - just create", which ultimately helped him finish the album.

That's obviously what Game has been doing; just creating a lot without thinking about it too much, and I think that's a great mindset to have for an artist. Not everyone is a "take 4 years to work on an album" perfectionist type.


that's great unless you run out of things to say. See: Lil Wayne in the last 5 years.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.16.2016 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by louder
When D'Angelo was struggling to find inspiration during the final stages of making Voodoo, he spoke to Prince who gave him a great advice: "do not think - just create", which ultimately helped him finish the album.

That's obviously what Game has been doing; just creating a lot without thinking about it too much, and I think that's a great mindset to have for an artist. Not everyone is a "take 4 years to work on an album" perfectionist type.


my guess is he has been really liking all the beats coming his way and so puts together some quick shit to rap on them for the fun of it

noisereductions 09.16.2016 10:37 PM

I def feel like the stuff he's dropped this year so far is just major label mixtapes, sure. But the line is thin on what's a mixtape and what's an album now anyway.

Streets Of Compton is dope though. I like its looseness.

Didn't anyone hear "Sauce"? I guess that's just a throwaway single, but its' good.

I have high hopes for 1992.

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.16.2016 10:50 PM

i don't think mix tapes are bad. really these game things are more like records than mix tapes because traditionally mix tapes were for dropping b-sides and loose takes, somgs that aren't necessarily connected the way a true album usually is. more specifically mix tapes are record company jargon about when each track has a different producer for production credits

SuchFriendsAreDangerous 09.16.2016 10:53 PM

ok i see what Game did. streets of Compton is a "soundtrack" album in tandem with an A&E documentary miniseries about LA gangs. Block Wars of course is connected with the video game. what i think Game is doing is connecting what is generally his mix tape production for these promotional things to double up. Game always had a lot of mix tapes, this isn't new.

Severian 09.17.2016 11:47 AM

New Kool Keith is out. To no fanfare or buzz from any of the big media sites. No surprise there.

Haven't heard it yet, but I will today.

Kool Keith - Feature Magnetic ... Look for it.

Severian 09.17.2016 04:59 PM

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I def feel like the stuff he's dropped this year so far is just major label mixtapes, sure. But the line is thin on what's a mixtape and what's an album now anyway.

Streets Of Compton is dope though. I like its looseness.

Didn't anyone hear "Sauce"? I guess that's just a throwaway single, but its' good.

I have high hopes for 1992.


The word "Mixtape" has more or less lost all meaning.

Have you heard Everybody Looking? The new fresh-out-da-Feds Gucci album? It plays like a high-end mixtape. There are producer shoutouts "MOIK WILL MADE IT") and different producers on just about every track. But it's for sale and even has a physical copy that made its way to stores super fast.

I have to say, I hate those shout-outs. HATE them. They're almost as bad as DJ shout outs from when radio jocks were making these things. Both of them are irritating and unnecessary and undermine the artistic quality of the music. They're Fucking commercials. Ugh.

Anyway...

noisereductions 09.17.2016 05:03 PM

Yeah heard the Gucci once. That was enough for me.

Severian 09.17.2016 05:36 PM

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Yeah heard the Gucci once. That was enough for me.


I like it. In a "for what it is" kind of way. Is it all time peak Gucci? Hay-ell naw. But it's strong, and just a little weird. I'll bet he put less work into it than Wiz did for Khalifa, or Snoop did for Coolaid. Yet it sounds like the absolute cutting edge of rap compared to those flaccid records.

Shrug. I'm enjoying it. And "Pussy Print" just gets stuck in my head like crazy.

Severian 09.17.2016 05:38 PM

HEY, ALL Y'ALL... I'm talking to everyone, here.

GO LISTEN TO DE LA SOUL AND THE ANONYMOUS NOBODY
GO LISTEN TO KOOL KEITH'S FEATURE MAGNETIC
IF YOU HAVEN'T LISTENED TO THE SUN'S TIRADE, do that shit too.

louder 09.17.2016 06:00 PM

Mac Miller's new one is refreshing.

Severian 09.17.2016 08:32 PM

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Mac Miller's new one is refreshing.


Uh huh, how bout De La and Keith though?


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