I would rather listen to Taylor Swift than Drake at this point. When "Bad Blood" gets stuck in my head, at least it gets the neurons flowing. It's fun. When "Started from the bottom" gets in my head, it's like that earworm scene from Star Trek II



Drake's best moment for me came at the end of IYRTITL. "6 p.m. In New York" ... And that was his best Kanye impression. He almost found an identity for himself with tracks like "6 man" ... but then he didn't.

He's surviced this long because he's always the first one to joke about himself. Or was. So he gets away with being ridiculous because he does this "aw shucks" shit. But deep down, he's a Trump-level narcissist. I'll bet Lil Wayns is cursing himself for helping Drake. I can't imagine why Kanye, who's still, inexplicably, somehow at the top of his game (musically) 12 years into his career, by associating himself with such a clearly transitory figure.

I doubt there will actually be a collab album. People throw out those ideas all the time. Kendrick and J Cole? Beyoncé and Jay Z? But how often does it actually come to pass? Kanye was supposed to make a Child Rebel Soldier album too. Remember that? That would have been awesome, of course, but it never happened. He was also supposed to have a new album out by now. Didn't happen. And Good Ass Job never happened. Let's hope this goes in the "never happened" pile... very soon.

Not hip hop, but holy shit the new Dino Jr album is good. My fav since Beyond.

Aw, forgot about this! Glad to hear you like it. I will give it a spin ASAP.

oh the production on 7 Day Theory is superb its a true masterpiece and realistically changed the entire tone and feel of rap music towards the mid-90s horrorcore feel.


im not surprised you like ready 2 die more, you prefer that east coast sound, but i am glad you are still able to appreciate that particular west coast boogie that is All Eyez On Me

New Joey Badass video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLnA25dVzrQ

I want someone to make a modern All Eyez on Me. Just straight West Coast bangers from start to finish.

As much as Kendrick admires 2Pac, I think he's in a different lane. He reminds me more of Common, Lupe and Pharaoh Monch.

did you miss Game Documentary 2.0 disc 2???
its as close as we're ever gonna get to that

You mean 2.5? Yeah, I feel you on that.

you know i in particular loved it almost as much as i loved Doctors Advocate when it dropped.

i must tell you, here in LA Doctors Advocate was the first communal rap record since maybe DJ Quik Rhythmalism. i mean EVERYONE was bumping it EVERYWHERE you went in LA. i loved that record.

The Doc 2.5 proved that (if anyone still had doubts) The Game is far far superior to his counterpart 50 Cent.

anyone download the new ILoveMakonnen mix? I will be blasting it on the commute home today.

That's what's up. I agree that The Doc 2.5 is almost on DA's level and I wish it wasn't so overlooked, too bad the whole album rollout and promotion were messy.

@ Rob

You should check out Tory Lanez, "Cruel Intentions" EP in particular. His production is very similar to Travis Scott's so I think you're gonna dig it. I think it's a perfect EP from start to finish. His official debut album drops next weekend and I'm pretty excited.

on its own musically Doc 2.5 is the superior record but in the context of its setting and experience Doctors Advocate is superior.

sort of like how In Utero is mos.def better than Nevermind but how Nevermind is the more impacting record is kind of like "duh"

Game is always pretty overlooked these days. He puts out so many albums and very few of them become widespread projects. I wish it wasn't the case, but it is. I very much doubt he'll ever drop another "classic" in the cultural sense.

Yeah, that's true globally, but In Utero hits me much harder. I think the only Nevermind track that packs the same punch as "Serve the Servants" and "Scentless Apprentice" is "In Bloom" ... maybe "Drain You." "Lithium" if I haven't heard it in a while.

I think I'm one of the few people who genuinely thinks In Utero is an all around better record, no caveats. Like, I know it's not as widely beloved, and doesn't quite have Nevermind's "legendary" status as far as the pop world is concerned, but I think it's a stronger record in literally every imaginable way.

i meant reception and popularity when i mentioned impact of Nevermind. i definitely as i mentioned prefer In Utero in every single way

I was recently reading though that Cobain book that Rolling Stone published shortly after his death (girlfriend gave me a copy a few weeks back) and I re-read all the original Nirvana album reviews Rolling Stone initially published. Almost unthinkable now, but "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was not even mentioned in the Nevermind review that came out in '91.

I'm not sure how anyone could listen to that album and not at least think of the song as noteworthy. I mean, it's certainly not their best song, or even in the top 10, but it's an album opener and a half. How did that not warrant a mention? I know the album and single hadn't blown up at the time of the review, but still. It's almost funny to imagine someone putting on Nevermind for the first time and just kinda going "meh, next!" in the middle of SLTS.

Amirite?

Anticipating Sev's thoughts on Tory's Cruel Intentions EP as well.

Yeah.. In Utero is far better than Nevermind.

That's funny.

I;ve read that Rolling Stone review too. it's like "this sounds like the Replacements". bleh!!

Not just Replacements, but Replacements, Pixies and Sonic Youth.

Nevermind has very little in common with any of these artists... though perhaps more in common with each individually than these three have with each other. There are moments that kind of sound like what Sonic Youth might have sounded like if they had ever in their career fully embraced ABAD song structures. But they haven't. Except for Endless, Nameless, there is nothing on Nevermind that sounds anything like anything SY had made at that point.

I suppose some of Kurt's more understated vocals (the verse of "Lithium" for example) bears some resemblance to Thurston's delivery on tracks like "Disappearer." Deadpan, but with a little twinkle of eccentricity. But the SY influence on Nirvana was more cultural than anything else.

The Replacements? Naw man. What Replacements albums was this guy listening to? Even back on Sorry Ma... the Mats had a spirited pop-punk sounds that was balanced out by traditional blue collar confessional rock. Paul Westerberg and Kurt Cobain both had nice screams that managed to convey a kind of too-human vulnerability, but that's where the similarities end.

Bands are lumped together far too much. I've see the Pixies and Sonic Youth compared more times than I could count in a lifetime, but there are very few actual sonic an dynamic similarities between the two bands. Might as well compare the B-52's and Swans.

The noisey part on Drain You always reminded me of SY.. would've loved Nirvana even more if they made a full Sonic Youth influenced record.

Is the Rolling Stone book good? I have read Come As You Are and Heavier Than Heaven. Is the Rolling Stone one worth a shit?

you didn't think that is more or less what In Utero was? That record sounds like Kurt listened to Endless, Nameless and the noise "solo" on Drain You and said to himself, "Shit i think with Steve Albini's help we can make a record that sounds entirely like this."

It's not really a "book" the way those others are. It's an editorial anthology of album reviews, interviews, concert reviews, timelines, etc. that's been on the shelf forever. Rolling Stone released it in 1994, as a nod to Kurt.

I you've been in a Barnes & Noble at any point in the last 22 years, you've surely seen it. It's a big old thing. A compilation, if you will. Definitely a bit of a cash grab. I'm glad I have it, but that's only because I'm a bit of a completist. I don't think it's essential. You've probably read all the content already if you're a big Nirvana fan.

the Rolling Stones anthology is a must-read

I've never thought of that, but yeah, that portion of Drain You does sound rather Sonic Youthy. I've always though of that section as an example of what happens when someone who doesn't have the skills to create a swelling, tense noise solo tries to pull one off anyway... but ultimately it works in the context of the song.

Endless Nameless is the best song on Nevermind. followed by Drain You. both songs have been an mental exertion of confusion to choose between in my life ever since. still thinking of the utmost melodic conservative to the utmost sloppy fucked up improvised way of living

i always liked Lounge Act

you're dissing Kurt too much here knock it off

Lounge Act is about as intense as a rock/pop track can sound. those wild screams at the end!!

Territorial Pissings, ftw.

^^ only if it's this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhS6pt_Ufls

Hahaha i knew it was that version before clicking. That is the besttttt tv spot ever.

oh that is that magic fun kurt that makes me get so pissed whenever people obsess over him like he was the depressed god. i get it, he killed himself, its sad, but his life was so much more than that and he was NOT a depressing figure he and Nirvana were probably one of the most sincerely FUN bands of all time.

they were the complete opposite of self absorbed and made a mockery of pop music media and scene at every chance they could get.

So no one is willing to listen to Cruel Intentions?

:(

Same here. One of my favorite Krist bass songs of all time, maybe just behind Hairspray Queen.

Yeah, I'm with you here SFAD. All those candle burning, poetry in italics, Hot Topic Kurt-with-angel-wings shirt wearing motherfuckers completely miss the point of why Nirvana was so great, why they were so different, and why Kurt was such a unique voice in the world at the time.

They just didn't give a single solitary fuck. Their tv appearances were hilariously juvenile at least ¾ of the time. Yeah, there was some definite melancholy behind Kurt's sardonic smile... sure, he had addiction problems and health problems, but that's just evidence that he was a human being. Human beings are complicated. I think he did struggle with depression and existential doubt, but that's what people do. Especially highly intelligent people, like Kurt.

But he was not a Christ pose striking, cry-me-a-river person.

He was not like:


Indeed, he was quite the opposite. Nirvana was the opposite. They had a raucous good time taking the piss out of interviewers who tried to inflate their mythos. They were almost never serious, except when they were pounding out kick ass punk rock music. Then, it was like watching a mini guerrilla army mobilize for a frantic strike. And it kicked all kinds of ass, and it was good. Even when it was "bad" it was good.

And they laughed at the entire world.