I was shocked that this was in fact a comedy, and that Euronymous was indeed portraited as a likeable, sensitive guy and a positive character. Not a very good movie.

I revisited the show a couple years ago. Season 2 dragsquite a bit, but season 1 is a gut-punch of awesomeness, hilarity and utter fucking horror straight through.

By season 3, do you mean “The Retuen”? Because I still haven’t seen that. :(

first episode of American Gods new season. Dug it a lot. The new showrunners have toned down the soft-porn vibe that the original showrunner added (and which was quite different in the book).


so far so good.

Yes, I meant The Return. It's quite different but great in its own right. I think of it as more of a reflection on Twin Peaks (the show in and of itself including the hype and the fan base etc.) than a sheer continuation of it. And Lynch apparently got to have more of a say in it, it shows. Yeah, Season 1 is great, Season 2 was a bit uneven if I remember correctly - some great episodes but also a few plot lines and interjections that went nowhere and were kind of unnecessary. But I'll get back to it soon anyway.

for me season 2 of twin peaks became a huge shark jumping from the glory of season 1

now curious about this season 3 i never saw

meanwhile, about to finish season 4 of my breaking bad rewatch

so good... wow

ps- skyler is way more devious that she likes to admit, and lying comes more naturally to her than to walt

I still remember parts of it fondly. I thought the finale was pretty damn awesome and I remember really liking the "reveal" episode. Then again I was considerably younger when I last watched it in its entirety and hadn't watched as many things as I have now. But yeah, there were a few shark jumps in there. Especially after the "reveal". I'll see if the things I liked about it have held up or not soon enough. Sure, give it a try. The Return is its own beast altogether and it's quite unpredictable at times.

I did not enjoy Twin Peaks when it first aired. I did not enjoy the Fire Walk with me movie. I am not going to watch the second season.

Interesting. Are you in ABQ actually? Did not realize if so. I took the Breaking Bad tour that is in the RV there in ABQ. Did not spend a lot of time there really, just made a stop off pretty much just for that tour.

That abandoned railroad yard was actually quite awesome, and I had no idea how many things had actually been filmed there.

The Turquoise Highway was probably my favorite part of that whole trip, between Taos and ABQ. So much so, I drove it twice even though Taos was so far out of the way on my way home. (from Oklahoma, so we really don't have scenery like that too close). Was certainly an amazing road trip, and my only time to New Mexico. I really had no idea how beautiful it was in areas.

the hills around tulsa are very pretty, no? brick-red dirt, covered in trees, and the river below.

but yeah the road to taos is spectacular.

i used to live in abq at the time, yes. the crime drove me away, lol. still in nm but more rural.

Haha! Why am I not surprised you'd hate it.

I actually rewatched the whole thing just before the third season started. At the time I was totally dreading going through the 2nd season dip and to be honest, it's not that bad. There are a couple of rough episodes but for the most part there are still enjoyable stuff in it.

The third season is Lynch let loose and it's all the better for it.

I have heard the second season is utterly fucked due to the loss of cast members, breaking the momentum of season 1, and a new showrunner.

But I haven’t seen any of it yet.

Honestly, I liked the first season, but it was WAY more cartoony and over-the-top than I ever imagined an adaptation of that book would be.

I read “American Gods” like a mystery that slowly pulls reality apart to reveal a atarscape beneath. Never expected it would be so wild and ... bloody.

But it was OK. Not the best show to immediate deviate from the source material on.

Anyway, it’s one of my favorite books. So I’ll eventually hit season 2, but I’m not spending extra for it like I did the first time around.

Maybe, but she’s not hot like Carmela, so ... fuck her!

(Kidding ... except I love Edie Falco)

If it’s universally praised and adored, Rob hates it as a rule. Movies, music, tv... contrarian as fuck.

If the general response is luke warm at best, he’ll probably have a giant hard on for it.

Ya, that's true. Tulsa area and some of the more wooded areas have their charm, for sure. SE Oklahoma can be nice, but nowhere near as nice as that part of New Mexico, ha.

I was actually mistaken about the travel from Taos to ABQ (just checked the map). It was Santa Fe to ABQ that I drove on the non insterstate highway, No. 14 that was so spectacular to me, Turquoise Trail.

I think my leaving Taos trip was down 68 (after looping the "Enchanted Circle" past Angel Fire, Eagle Nest, etc. and back around to Taos). Drove 68 from Taos over to Okeefe's studio and Plaza Blanca (fucking spiritual place). That highway was a nice treat too. Followed a river for a decent ways. Then went from there down to Santa Fe.

Man, that was such a good road trip. Absolutely fell in love with the area.

I hate watching films or TV based on some assholes dream-logic. David Lynch is an expert on this, and I believe it is empty as all fuck, purely superfluous exercises in style over any actual substance.

oh, right. “may-dreed” (madrid) lol. yes that’s that trail. there’s a weird biker bar there, and hippy art. it’s more desert. taos is more evergreens and alpine weather. i like the taos road along the river gorge. a bit slow traffic, but great views.

the big idea behind those things is that, like for the australian aborigine, dream time is the real thing and this world is bullshit. in other words—this world of Urizen (Blake’s monster) is the actual fantasy, and a bad one at that. a trap of the mind.

not saying that i dig all of his work, eraserhead puts me to sleep every time and i barely stayed awake for inland empire. his particular dreams bore me the fuck out, but when his own dreams resonate with mine or with “archetypes” in mine (yes yes that is jungian bullshit but it’s the language we have) then im staring at the real world underneath this one, and that can be a really good thing.

i feel that anything in dream ONLY APPLIES to the dreamer, hence any dream logic bullshit in a movie DOES NOT APPLY to me. It can't even begin to relate to my dreamlogic, nor yours, nor anyone else.


Erasehead is boring once you have seen it once.
Twin Peaks was obscurity for obscurity's sake and all a giant red herring (as most dreams are)
Fire walk with me sucked shit
mulholland falls was the single most masturbatory nonsense I have ever had to suffer through.
it never gets better for me with Lynch.


His least dreamlogic work, Dune, is the only one I absolutely love.

are you sure...?



hahaha

the theory is that we all share a “common” big mind and are just small pieces of it.


ive seen it like 7 times. all boring! none complete. impossible to stay awake.

beautiful disturbing images sure

all about his trouble at becoming a young artist dad

artists are all about hiding... who said this here the other day? i thought it was brilliant. jicorator?


the... no!

do you live in america?

twin peaks was the dream and nightmare of small town america

pie and molester dads


was a bit of an indulgence but i liked it.



ah yeah no. for me it was a trip straight through bardo.

had to see it a couple of times though


i understand


oh man the way it was chopped up to shit was awful. but yeah it had a great visualization of the thing. wish they had let him do his 4 hours.

and you didn’t like wild at heart? very accessible

wild at heart was OK. I just didn't give a shit about the main problems of the protagonists.

oh cmon! laura dern was super hot in it. creepy mama wanting to incestuously interfere. sad sack boyfriend watching the hyenas. snakeskin jacket. temptation and robbery. big tuna. bobby peru. the wizard of oz. mystery car crashes. oh man!





need more los, less urizen!

that movie is mega-myth

it's just so much fluff.

Surely part of why Lynch is so popular is because large sections of his audiences can relate to his 'dream logic'.

all art is dream logic

bullshit. Art is actual objects, images, sound vibrations carried in the air, images reflecting photons into our retinas. Art is waking life.

I think part of why dream logic bullshit is so popular is the same reason horoscopes are popular. you say something vacuous enough and everyone feels it applies to them . It is BULLSHIT through and through.

Thnking about it more, the logic of Lynch's stories isn't the point for me. It's the atmosphere he creates. He has a way of evoking menace like no other filmmaker I can think of: the 'cowboy' scene in Mulholland Dr, the 'In Dreams' scene in Blue Velvet, the phone call at the party in Lost Highway; the final moments of Fire Walk With Me. Bobby Peru. They're what I think about when I think about Lynch, not the motivation of his protagonists or the dream logic of his storytelling.

this is too wrong. i don’t know where to begin.

ART is one thing. Your personal experience of art may be what YOU are referring to as "dream logic" but that is bullshit too. conscious thought, hard logic, rigorous introspection and all those things come from actual logic, not the subconscious, which is where dreams arise.


an "Idea" is not art (fuck the lazy conceptualists).


Art is a physical object (painting, musical score, sculpture, book, etc.) or it is manifested in the physical (perfume, music in our ears, etc.).


it exist whether or not anyone is dreaming or experiencing it. UNLIKE dreams, which are only real to those creating the dream.




fuck david lynch.

30 thousand year old art.


it is not a dream. it is REAL. it survives it's creator by MILLENIA. The Venus of Willendorf is art without the need for Dreams. It is art without the tedious use of dream logic to create false meaning and obfuscation.


Art exists beyond its creator. Dreams do NOT. (by "dreams" I mean the literal images sounds and sensations you feel when you are asleep. I do not use "dreams" and "ideas" interchangeably. Ideas live on. Dreams die with the dreamer thankfully, or else we would all have to live in each other's nightmares! This is what I hate about David Lynch. Fuck his dreams, fuck his nightmares. I do not want to partake.)

i never said that art was independent of matter or the senses. that silly straw man is your invention.

feel free to whack it with your pitchfork but it has nothing to do with me.

the material has to embody something. yes, an idea, an emotion, something beyond regular logic.

art appeals to the imagination, which operates with “dream logic.” it’s not just the surrealists who did that. that willendorf carving is precisely the stuff of dreams. nobody really looks like that, except goddesses.

art since its origins has been bound with religion. even after religion, it becomes a sort of secular religion. it provides meaning beyond common reason and the everyday.

the opposite of dream logic in art is what hitchcock called “moronic logic”. in other words, everyday logic with no aesthetic value.

Must spread some rep before giving it to demonrail666 again.

Also I feel like Twin Peaks is being unfairly reduced to just the dream-logic aspect of it. It is of course an intricate part of the series and adds a lot to its charm, but I don't think that's all there's to it. There were several things at play that made it as beloved as it is. Beneath the odd interactions and the heightened dramatism in the execution there lie real fears, real emotional phenomena that are being explored in the show. Granted, in a very grandiose and dramatic way, but they are there. There's grief being displayed in many different ways, kindness and genuine care, emotional suppression, acting tough despite intense psychological distress, jealousy, feelings of guilt and helplessness etc.

The great atmosphere and the dream-like weirdness for lack of a better term are what initially drew me in and made me appreciate the show way back. Now on my rewatch however, I started to appreciate the deeply-rooted emotional core of the show as well. I don't think the show was only successful because of its surreal atmosphere and its quirkiness. I'd like to think that people could relate to certain aspects the show touched on. Hell, I watched videos about people reacting to certain things happening in the third season and explaining the emotional impact it had on them and how they felt for the characters depicted in these particular scenes.

And that's down to the writing and the performances. I think they deserve a mention. Sometimes the dialogue is laying it on pretty thick, I have to admit, but even that is at least in part intentional as it sought to parody popular soap operas of its time. And yet, I can't help but be really immersed in the turmoil of these colorful characters. No easy feat.

Absolutely agree. There's an emotional core to his best films and Lynch never cheapens it. And he definitely has a knack for getting great performances from his actors. Dennis Hopper never bettered his performance in Blue Velvet. Ditto John Hurt in The Elephant Man. And so on. Sheryl Lee's performance in Fire Walk With Me (his most underated film imo) is incredible. The actors have to take ultimate credit for that but it was Lynch who found a way of drawing it out of them.

Just hopping in here, but why does what you’re saying necessitate the “fuck David Lynch” comment? Are you saying David Lynch doesn’t make art? That he doesn’t understand art?

Either way, nah.

Just to eb clear,


my opinion of Lynch and his work is purely personal, extremely subjective, completely not meant to convince any other human being, and based on a LOT of personal experience with Lynch's work in the past 30 years of my 46 year old life.


you guys are free to enjoy :)

just cuz I hate Lynch and his work does not mean i think less of someone who loves it. that is how art works. you're all pretty.


;)

I agree, Rob. I never thought much of it, either.

season 5 of breaking bad walt is such a fucking unmitigated asshole.

Season 5 (part 2) of Arrested Development :D

holy fuck i had forgotten how fucking much walt LIES

he’s a machine now