good word, i'm going to start using it

IBID.

what does that mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibid

see above.

Yep, everybody that likes anything that you don't like is incapable of critical thinking and sincere opinions in matters of taste. Everybody who likes a band whose popularity mystifies you is trying to seem "cool" because no one could possibly like this kind of music simply because the sound of it resonates with them for whatever reason. Boy, have you got it down.

I like some of NNCK's output quite a lot, but I don't consider myself a huge fanatic or anything. I do think they can play their instruments, especially Nuss. I have seen them twice; once in 1998 (awesome) and once in 2003 (musically weak to my ears, but made up for by a thoroughly entertaining and engaging stage presence/performance).
Yeah, they are a mixed bag, but there are many others more deserving of "naked emperor" status if you want to start going down that road. They are making perfectly valid music and I believe in their sincerity as artists.

What a sucker.

and the circle jerk continues...

you boys ready for round two?

can you even string two words together to form a reasonable argument?

Look, NNCK are better than a lot of the hipster junk discussed on this board, but no nebbish little "cabal" is going to decide for me that they are "officially" "the best band in the world" because it's a load of horseshit.
Of course, you'll like and dislike whomever you want, but I won't abide by gross misrepesentations of an artists' worth because I'm here merely as a true alternative to the Goo.

NNCK are barely passable and it took me (as it would anyone with an understanding of art and music) about fifteen minutes of listening to three releases to figure that out with absolute objective certaintude.

I came up with more than "what a sucker."
I think there was some hyperbole intended when this thread was started.
We are all more than aware of who you think the "greatest band in the world is," and no one is trying to change your mind.

The best band in the world right now owns this message board.

It was nice of you to replace "gay" with "nebbish" in one of your inevitable edits, I'll give you that.

...if I use "gay" then it might be taken the wrong way, but I like the homos just fine. I was just trying to wound subconsciously and that was wrong.

wow, one I actually edited before you could quote me...you must have some things going on tonight hee hee

Well, yeah MM are worse, but like NNCK, they still have their moments. And while their moments may be intense (some Sonic Death-ish), NNCK's are more prolonged.

What follows is incredibly harsh perhaps, but nothing changes the fact that neither are worth your devotion, time, or money.

I was merely thinking of the eventual day (& this is affording you a great deal of credit, by the way) when you realize you've been severely ripped off, that's all.

Well, seeing as I have only purchased one of their albums and I like that one quite a bit, I don't see that happening. The first time I saw them it was maybe three bucks (might have even been a "pass the hat" situation), and the second time was at a festival I would have attended regardless, so I really don't have all that much invested. Plus, if I were to sell that double LP that I bought in 1998 (which I have no plans to do), I'm sure I would stand to make a fine profit.

I'm not a huge fan; I just think they are pretty good and they are making a valid contribution. Sure, that "scene" has a glut of crappy meandering improvisors who have severe limitations and no ability to explore other musical avenues (and thus an inevitable "diminishing returns" situation), but NNCK aren't one of those bands. Not to my ears anyway.
Plus, the "scene" ALWAYS has a glut of talentless hacks jumping on bandwagons. This is nothing new.

why is anyone even paying attention to atari?

since everyone here always talks about them, i downlowded the link of their album sticks and stones, and was completely blown away. so thanks to y'all for introducing me to em. one question, does anybody have any links to download their other albums?
i'd be very much obliged, so thanks in advance.

Heres NNCK's Space is No Place track:

For Russia With Love:

http://www.badongo.com/file/2557390

thanks!

What on earth is this 'understanding of art and music' you claim? You don't particularly LIKE them. That's fine. But nothing you've said so far suggests that this has come from any significant 'understanding' of aesthetics. Certainly no more than those of us who claim to like them a helluva lot.

As for having an 'absolute objective certaintude' in determining the value of an art form, I congratulate you in managing to singlehandedly solve a problem that has plagued the arts from Plato onwards.