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demonrail666 01.15.2013 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by h8kurdt
Great film. Save for-WHO DID THE FUCKING MURDER!


It's The Big Sleep that has the "but who killed the chauffeur?" problem. Apparently even Raymond Chandler couldn't answer that one.

h8kurdt 01.15.2013 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
It's The Big Sleep that has the "but who killed the chauffeur?" problem. Apparently even Raymond Chandler couldn't answer that one.


Yeah I was lying in bed last night and just before I fell asleep it hit me "It was The Big Sleep, you bloody idiot!"
Fail.

sonic sphere 01.15.2013 10:46 AM

 

demonrail666 01.17.2013 10:49 AM

Off the top of my head, I don't think I've ever seen a 'bad' Bogart movie, but I suppose the classic ones are still Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep and In a Lonely Place. Of all of them, I imagine you'd like In a Lonely Place the best. It's probably his darkest, most minimal film and the one where he's given the most freedom in terms of acting. It's directed by Nicholas Ray, too, which inevitably puts it at an advantage. As a general rule of thumb, though, if Bogart's name is on the poster it'll probably be at least decent.

Anyway, while not really a movie, started watching

 


Boardwalk Empire (Series One)

I've only managed the first couple of episodes but considering it's directed by Scorsese, it's massively disappointing. It's wrong to compare TV series to movies but considering how good a lot of HBO's other stuff has been, this is way below par. I'm starting to think Scorsese has now completely lost the plot.

dale_gribble 01.17.2013 11:51 AM

 

Rob Instigator 01.17.2013 11:59 AM

I tried Boardwalk Empire too. Got 3 eps in and got BORED sick. Maybe it gets better? I could care less....

demonrail666 01.17.2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
I tried Boardwalk Empire too. Got 3 eps in and got BORED sick. Maybe it gets better? I could care less....


Yeah, I've dropped it off my rental list. I should give it a better chance; I nearly wrote Treme off after the first few episodes and now I really love it. BE just seems like a stinker through and through, though. As you say, I could care less.

On the subject of Treme, I just finished the first series. I still think its flawed (too much music, too sentimental a view of New Orleans, too earnest in general) but it finally clicked with me. I even like the Davis character now, and started to feel something for John Goodman's character (who I couldn't stand in the first few episodes) as his fate became more and more evident. Plus I've developed a ginormous crush on Kandhi Alexander.

HenryHill51 01.17.2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by evollove
Oh. I didn't get that.

See, I think most Hollywood films are "good." Well made, well acted, good enough conflict for 90 minutes. My mistake to expect more.

You're right though. Lovely scenery. (Although I was wondering why Liam took the part. Even if he loved the script, filming in the cold must really suck. Unless it was all a soundstage, in which case give an Oscar to the art department.)

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LIVING END- Amazing how a film can be poorly made on nearly every technical level, yet still total to a great flick.


Can someone hip me to more "real" indie cinema of the late 80s, early 90s? Pretend I already know about Jarmusch, Soderbergh, van Sants and Reservoir Dogs. I wanna get really indie. Nothing before 1985 and nothing past 1993 please. I think I'll check out gas, food, lodging later.





A few ideas about indie cinema for you:

1) Anything by Nick Gomez but especially "Laws of Gravity" and "illtown" (if you can find them) 1992 and 1996
2) Tony Drazan's films "Imaginary Crimes" or "Zebrahead" 1994 and 1992
3) Lodge Kerrigan's "Clean, Shaven" 1993
4) Greg Mottola's "The Daytrippers" 1996
5) Atom Egoyan's "Exotica" 1994
6) Michel Negropontes' "Jupiter's Wife" 1994 (a haunting documentary)
7) Michael Almereyda's "Nadja" (1994)
8) Julie Dash's "Daughters of the Dust" 1991
9) Leslie Harris' "Just Another Girl on the I.R.T." 1992
10) anything by Abel Ferrera but especially "The Funeral" and "Dangerous Game" 1996 and 1994




god this was an exciting time for cinema that I remember like yesterday.... being given a VHS copy of "Reservoir Dogs" or "Laws of Gravity" and watching cinema being changed. stumbling across movies by Hal Hartley or Ferrera daily and then homefilmfestival.com (anyone a member of that???) launching in 1996 and being able to rent Hou Hsiao Hsien and Jean Luc Godard VHS tapes through the mail!

batreleaser 01.17.2013 10:49 PM

Savages, terrible. Then Oldboy, again. It was again fantastic.

!@#$%! 01.18.2013 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
Off the top of my head, I don't think I've ever seen a 'bad' Bogart movie, but I suppose the classic ones are still Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep and In a Lonely Place. Of all of them, I imagine you'd like In a Lonely Place the best. It's probably his darkest, most minimal film and the one where he's given the most freedom in terms of acting. It's directed by Nicholas Ray, too, which inevitably puts it at an advantage. As a general rule of thumb, though, if Bogart's name is on the poster it'll probably be at least decent.

Anyway, while not really a movie, started watching


 


Boardwalk Empire (Series One)

I've only managed the first couple of episodes but considering it's directed by Scorsese, it's massively disappointing. It's wrong to compare TV series to movies but considering how good a lot of HBO's other stuff has been, this is way below par. I'm starting to think Scorsese has now completely lost the plot.


BOGART: you gotta check out treasure of the sierra madre!

BOARDWALK EMPIRE: why you not like? its pretty fucking great! ive watched 2 seasons and i really liked it-- not as much as teh wire but i liked it lots. plus great BJM opening credits

Rob Instigator 01.18.2013 08:59 AM

Treasure of Sierra Madre is AWESOME

evollove 01.18.2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HenryHill51


god this was an exciting time for cinema that I remember like yesterday....



Yeah, I've been trying to re-capture that feeling. Good list.

demonrail666 01.18.2013 05:49 PM

 


Gran Torino

h8kurdt 01.18.2013 09:17 PM

 

Without wanting to sound like a pretentious twat this could possibly be one of my fav films along with There Will Be Blood.

stu666 01.19.2013 12:20 PM

 

dale_gribble 01.19.2013 01:07 PM

^nice, how did you like it stu?

cowbro 01.19.2013 01:45 PM

i saw Enter the Void the other day. mixed feelings overall but visually, fantastic.

demonrail666 01.19.2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Murmer99
I remember someone here recommending me Body Snatchers, which I haven't seen yet. The poster is pretty cool:

 


It may have been me. It tends to get down played compared with his other stuff cos it's not really a typical AF film. It's not amazing or anything but definitely decent.

evollove 01.19.2013 06:44 PM

THIS IS 40 - If you liked FUNNY PEOPLE. I kinda like Apatow's new meandering style.

BACHLORETTE - Puts Bridesmaids to shame. Funnier, coarser, wiser.

DJANGO - Bummed me out and left a real bad taste in my mouth.

HYDE PARK ON THE HUDSON - Jesus fuck, what a boring movie, which Bill Murray does not a thing to help.

LINCOLN- Jesus fuck, what a boring movie, which Day Lewis does something to help. Also Kushner's occasionally brilliant script, though there are some flat-out bad moments in there too.

ZERO DARK THIRTY - An oddly cold, emotionally vacant movie. That's the point, I suppose. Left me with a cold, emotionally vacant response.

SILVER LININGS PLAYBOOK- HATED this movie. Quirky, attractive people initially don't get along, but they are too hot to NOT fuck each other.

LES MIS - Probably a really good movie, just not for me. I started skipping around once my eyes got used to the mindblowing effects. What'sherface is really good.

TEXAS CHAINSAW - Big surprise: it's not too bad. Well made, good enough plot, and there's a moment near the end when Leatherface is getting beat up and we feel kinda bad for him. Neat trick.

SEVEN PSYCHOPATHS- I liked it a lot, particularly the ending which turns the movie's meta ways towards something deeper.

BERNIE- Almost unbearably slow for the first hour, but it's a movie that I've had difficulty shaking off since watching it. Jack Black's performance is lovable, as always. Dude'll win an Oscar someday.

SAVAGES- I guess it's dumb to complain about a movie with such a title, but this very unnecessary violence and lack of moral center (and really lousy ending) put me in a queasy, bad mood.

ARGO - This film in and of itself is fantastic. It's a classic with the same riveting pace and social/historical import as ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN. But beyond the film itself I've learned that Affleck changed some of the facts. In other words, he didn't trust the drama of the story he chose to tell, so he amped up reality. I know he's hardly the first, but this time it seems so pointless. The real story is great. A film just as exciting could be made based solely on the dry facts, but Afleck couldn't do it or didn't trust himself to do it.

So the best movie of the year is actually not. Very frustrating.

sonic sphere 01.20.2013 10:51 AM

 

demonrail666 01.20.2013 11:29 AM

[quote=evollove]


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SEVEN PSYCHOPATHS- I liked it a lot, particularly the ending which turns the movie's meta ways towards something deeper.

I'm really curious to see that one.

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ARGO - This film in and of itself is fantastic. It's a classic with the same riveting pace and social/historical import as ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN. But beyond the film itself I've learned that Affleck changed some of the facts. In other words, he didn't trust the drama of the story he chose to tell, so he amped up reality. I know he's hardly the first, but this time it seems so pointless. The real story is great. A film just as exciting could be made based solely on the dry facts, but Afleck couldn't do it or didn't trust himself to do it.

I was really impressed with Ben Affleck's first two films, Gone Baby Gone and The Town, so I'm really looking forward to this. The tampering with facts issue aside (All the Presidents Men did it, too) he's becoming a far better director than he ever was an actor, I think.

demonrail666 01.20.2013 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sonic sphere
 


Along with Shivers that's my favourite Cronenberg.

h8kurdt 01.20.2013 11:44 AM

[quote=demonrail666]
Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove




I'm really curious to see that one.



I was really impressed with Ben Affleck's first two films, Gone Baby Gone and The Town, so I'm really looking forward to this. The tampering with facts issue aside (All the Presidents Men did it, too) he's becoming a far better director than he ever was an actor, I think.


You can't deny that when he wants to be, he can be a bloody good actor.

demonrail666 01.20.2013 01:15 PM

^^H8kurdt

I completely agree, but I don't think I'd seek out a movie on the strength of him starring in it in the way that I've started to with whatever he directs.

HenryHill51 01.20.2013 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evollove
THIS IS 40 - If you liked FUNNY PEOPLE. I kinda like Apatow's new meandering style.

BACHLORETTE - Puts Bridesmaids to shame. Funnier, coarser, wiser.

DJANGO - Bummed me out and left a real bad taste in my mouth.

HYDE PARK ON THE HUDSON - Jesus fuck, what a boring movie, which Bill Murray does not a thing to help.

LINCOLN- Jesus fuck, what a boring movie, which Day Lewis does something to help. Also Kushner's occasionally brilliant script, though there are some flat-out bad moments in there too.

ZERO DARK THIRTY - An oddly cold, emotionally vacant movie. That's the point, I suppose. Left me with a cold, emotionally vacant response.

SILVER LININGS PLAYBOOK- HATED this movie. Quirky, attractive people initially don't get along, but they are too hot to NOT fuck each other.

LES MIS - Probably a really good movie, just not for me. I started skipping around once my eyes got used to the mindblowing effects. What'sherface is really good.

TEXAS CHAINSAW - Big surprise: it's not too bad. Well made, good enough plot, and there's a moment near the end when Leatherface is getting beat up and we feel kinda bad for him. Neat trick.

SEVEN PSYCHOPATHS- I liked it a lot, particularly the ending which turns the movie's meta ways towards something deeper.

BERNIE- Almost unbearably slow for the first hour, but it's a movie that I've had difficulty shaking off since watching it. Jack Black's performance is lovable, as always. Dude'll win an Oscar someday.

SAVAGES- I guess it's dumb to complain about a movie with such a title, but this very unnecessary violence and lack of moral center (and really lousy ending) put me in a queasy, bad mood.

ARGO - This film in and of itself is fantastic. It's a classic with the same riveting pace and social/historical import as ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN. But beyond the film itself I've learned that Affleck changed some of the facts. In other words, he didn't trust the drama of the story he chose to tell, so he amped up reality. I know he's hardly the first, but this time it seems so pointless. The real story is great. A film just as exciting could be made based solely on the dry facts, but Afleck couldn't do it or didn't trust himself to do it.

So the best movie of the year is actually not. Very frustrating.





Thats a good roundup of films. My faves of the year shook out like this:


15. Once Upon a Time In Anatolia (total mood film)
14. Cloud Atlas (ambitious and oddly moving)
13. The Grey (existential and not what I expected in a great way)
12. Perfect Sense (truly under rated and released apocalypse film)
11. Beasts of the Southern Wild (profound, like New Orleans David Gordon Green)
10. Kill List (the less you know, the better off you are)
9. Rampart (rambling but corrosive)
8. Killer Joe (brutal and brutally funny)
7. Rust and Bone (another masterpiece for Audiard)
6. Oslo August 31 (deeply moving)
5. Looper (best sci fi in years?)
4. Anna Karenina (love how it manipulates time and space, formally ravishing)
3. Moonrise Kingdom (surreally sweet, as usual for Wes)
2. Zero Dark Thirty (a crackling procedural.... Chastain deserves the Oscar)
1. The Master (a towering, oblique masterpiece)

Dr Chocolate 01.20.2013 11:22 PM

MARS ATTACKS

and then i thought, why not listen to it with the audio only soundtrack?
which is something i've been wanting to stick onto a cd

sonic sphere 01.21.2013 07:31 AM

 

Rob Instigator 01.22.2013 02:10 PM

 


watched this classic again with my wife. she had not seen it. Great flick.

demonrail666 01.22.2013 02:20 PM

The pic isn't showing. What is it?

Rob Instigator 01.22.2013 02:23 PM

sorry, Day of The Jackal, original 1973 one.

demonrail666 01.22.2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Instigator
sorry, Day of The Jackal, original 1973 one.


Somewhere up there, my dad's reading that and thinking, now there's a man who knows how to educate a woman.

Must spread more rep, etc

batreleaser 01.23.2013 12:41 AM

Yeah Jessica Chastain will win this year. I'm surprised at the response to Django, I thought it was a blast.

Jessica is quite the workhouse it seems. Good choice of roles. And her lips are mighty pouty.

Stijn 01.23.2013 06:48 AM

 


Great

demonrail666 01.23.2013 02:40 PM

 


Cabin in the Woods

The last half hour of this film effectively saves it for me, going from "what was all the fuss about?" to, "oh, so that's what all the fuss was about."

!@#$%! 01.23.2013 10:00 PM

 


"no jews were hurt in the making of this film"

i liked it a lot-- actually i'm probably overrating it, but eh.

!@#$%! 01.23.2013 11:59 PM

just finished part 2 of barry lyndon-- watched part 1 last week

to those who think blu-ray makes no difference---- daaamn it looks amazing

web pictures don't do justice, but i believe stills from this movie ought to be hanged in modern art museums all over the world, as postmodern reconstructions of classic painting


 


 


 



absolutely exquisite. the way kubrick made use of bad actors to fit his style is just genius.

demonrail666 01.24.2013 03:12 AM

I'm ashamed to admit I still haven't seen that movie all the way through.

Rob Instigator 01.24.2013 09:02 AM

 


Very enjoyable and odd movie. JB has done it again.

!@#$%! 01.24.2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by demonrail666
I'm ashamed to admit I still haven't seen that movie all the way through.


i know you like the more what should i say the more actor-oriented films? dramas, you know, what bresson called filmed theatre, and yes there are great great movies in that style, but this one is just so much eye candy, so much of a visual pleasure, primarily, and then only everything else.

it can be exhausting and boring and all that-- but it's beautiful.

like i don't know- l'avventura is also visually gorgeous slow and boring.

anyway i hope you get to see it-- the bluray is the wrong aspect ratio, but it's still amazing for the quality it brings to the screen

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/ba...-aspect-ratio/

^^ look, even this man calls it boring. but i call it delicious!

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ps- read this if you wanna nerd it up!

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/d...erview.bl.html

!@#$%! 01.24.2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Murmer99
Anyone who thinks L'avventura and/or Barry Lyndon are boring ought to be sterilized (Just kidding, but still)

well they are "boring" in that a lot less happens between the actors than in other films. the narration is more visual in style.

if you consider that the snappy dialogue of "the maltese falcon" makes it one of demonrail's favorite movies you can see how the polar opposite of more cinematography-based films wouldn't tickle him so much. (im going to venture a guess and presume he's probably not crazy about"kooyanisqatsi" or tarkovski's "solaris" either.)

these are difficult movies in general because they depart from the conventions of filmed theatre that inform traditional film. you have to get accustomed to their language and that's not always an easy transition-- and even if you get their alternative conventions it doesn't mean that the movie itself has to be your thing. i think i get matthew barney but i still hate a number of his movies.

and while i take delight in many so-called boring movies, i really draw the line at david lynch's inland empire wankery-- that's both boring an irredeemable for me, except for some select snippets. maybe some day i'll have a chance to alter my evaluation of it, but definitely not today. regardless, david lynch doesn't need me to love his every movie and i'm sure he's not even aware of my existence.


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