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Yeah, I was really only connecting the Doctor to Nemo as a way of generally linking the series to writers like Verne. I agree about the stronger link to someone like Superman, and in keeping with the whole DC/Marvel universe thing, I suppose my main interest in DW is its vast mythos. Star Trek has its mythos too but it doesn't seem as involved. Lovecraft is the other obvious cultural reference point. Perhaps less-so now, with the new incarnation, but the 70s era (Pertwee/Baker) was probably more Lovecraftian than it was anything else. |
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Christ, Bradley Walsh! For those who don't know him he's a quiz show host and soap actor. That aside though, I just don't know how he'll work as a companion. I'd have thought after the decision to cast Jodie Whittaker they'd try and balance that with a more traditional companion, but obviously not. Well shall see |
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I still see plenty of Lovecraft in the current stories.*shrug* The Silence story was very Lovecraftian in how it unfolded, only with a modern guy's-in-suits and tech ... thing. Also, the weeping angels' various storylines, specifically the one involveing cave-diving or whatever the fuck it was. Lol. |
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I'm not saying it isn't in the new series, just that it seemed more of a goto reference in the earlier one. But I'd hate for this to turn into a new vs classic era debate. I talk mostly about the classic era because that's what I've seen most, and do generally prefer, but that certainly doesn't mean I have anything against the new era. There are brilliant (and terrible) stories in both. Anyway, some good Lovecraftian stories from the classic era: Image of the Fendhal (Tom Baker) Web Planet (Troughton) The Sea Devils and The Daemons (Pertwee) Curse of Fenric (McCoy) Maybe the SFX team back then just enjoyed turning rubber hoses into tentacles ...  |
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I've only seen the one with James Mason, which was pretty good. |
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^ ahh hey what's that one?! What episode is that from? |
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My wife wants em to watch the anthology written by the guy who plays Sherlock's Bro . I cannot remember the name. Does anyone know what I am talking about, and does anyone have any recommendation for it?
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i'd google the cast, look for mycroft's name, tap on his imdb page & look at his credits-- shoud be there
-- eta: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1738321/ ? |
looks interesting, not on NTFLX. Gattis is sure a busy guy, he was great as the prince regent in Taboo.
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TABOO WAS EXCELLENT!!! Not a single Emmy nomination! Idiots!! |
emmy? wouldn't that qualify for the BAFTAs whatever they're called, not the emmys?
i really dont know shit about award shows and never watch them but last i knew the emmy was murrican and bafta for the ingleses but srsly no ideaR |
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wartcht the last episode of season 2 or dr. whodunit reboot ROSE TYLER.... lolololol look, i have nothing intrinsically about romances and lovydovy shows. some are actually quite moving. but this shit-- this shit was unbelievable-- in the literal etymological sense of "un-believable" this shit can't be true. i mean they had already regaled us with an endless display of hugs & hugs, which were like, hm, "i wanna fuck you but i can't" hugs, with that desperation that comes with it. but you know what? foreshadowing or giving hints doesn't really mean the thing is really credible or anything. and it's not because they're a different species. it's because throughout the 2 seasons i saw nothing that made sparks fly. so this whole love situation is just conceptual. which makes it nonsense. cuz you can't have the conceptual hots for anyone. well ok maybe i do for the ghost of susan sontag, but no, that's not the same thing. i dont know what im mumbling about the thing was just cheesy and didn't work at all for me. but man, the amount of blue makeup that dripped out of her face was INSANE. she's really good at crying tho. i can see why she won with YERMA. bla bla etc. i'm getting THE FIRST EVER DR. WHO today! wooohooo! gonna put the reboot on hold till i catch up with at least most key elements of the classic series. |
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No, because it's a U.S. show. An FX original. Not a BBC deal, though I'm sure it was made in cooperation with BBC somehow. |
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Ah. Don't put it on hold! Nawww! Watch, like, one classic Who episode a week and get on with the reboot, says I. But of course do whatcha want. I just got Amazon Prime so I can BINGE the Americans. I've got a day or so of comp time just before the weekend, so I'm gonna let rip with that. I'm really liking this show. |
im gonna put it on hold cuz i dont wanna miss references to the old one which are bound to make it lots more entertaining.
kinda like enjoying music for itself-- or enjoying music when you know music. double the pleasure. watching the daleks vs. the cybermen (robomen in the original?) was superfun but it's like just the tip of the iceberg. whole mythos or gtfo. i can delay gratification no problem if it's worth something. meanwhile i gotta catch up with marco polo (gonna rewatch from the start cuz i forgot), OITNB, plus a buuuuuuunch of other stuff. i got a free month of netflix streamable (downloadable only for me) and i gotta figure out if i wanna keep it so... full throttle on that front. amazon im always gonna have cuz i need for my supplies... putting in 1-2 orders per week regularly justifies it by itself. from kosher salt to carparts, no joke. there's really more tv these days that one can watch in a lifetime. so. yeah reboot can wait a little. |
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Marco Polo you say? I haven't watched it, but I've been pretty impressed with the original Netflix stuff lately. OZARK was a real pleasure, I tell ya. Damn good. They're making up for the abominable "OA" (I would put a "rolleyes" smiley here, but the SYG one always looks more like Groucho Marx eyes to me. Haaa) |
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yeah. marco polo was fun. fictionalized history, war, politics, intrigue, fucking in the harem... what's not to like? spotted Ozark, will see about downloading. what's OA? i'm sure it's something iobvious but can't figure it at the moment. oh now that im back on netflix also gotta catch up on bojack. it's just that i'm saving the depressing stuff for later in the season. tragedy + horror coming this fall! |
DR WHO'S ORIGINAL PILOT!
hha ha ha ha insane ... also watched the actual first episode aired where he's a little bit nicer and susan throws a tantrum and they have a better camera operator good stuff! |
Holy shit the Americans goes hard. Jesus. What... what the hell have I been doing for the past four years that was more important than watching this show?
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Isn't the 'pilot' just a slightly different version of An Unearthly Child? |
yeah--- it's the same episode, a lot of the same footage, they just changed some scenes and how some characters behave, and the camera doesnt go in & out of focus and has better angles in the new scenes. the fixed version makes more sense. the doctor is too cranky/violent/cruel in the first one.
now just checked "the cave of skulls" which was kind of involuntarily hilarious. the doctor can't make fire without matches! wtf lol. i thought he knew physics! and there's even a chemistry teacher there. WAT. anyway now i understand how these people got inside the tardis and why she called him "grandfather" which is a great relief to my poor tortured brains. whew! |
I rewatched Pyramids of Mars the other day. Aspects of it have inevitably dated pretty badly but the story and main villain are still great.
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I've only seen a handful of episodes from the Hartnell era, mainly for their historical significance. From what I've heard, the series in the beginning was designed to be more about those characters (like Susan) who'd later be used as 'companions', with the Doctor himself being slightly less central.
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Hey you guys said Who Classic is on Prime, right?
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no, who *reboot* is on prime. that's where i've been watching it all along. for the ancient version i'm renting the old version ON DISC from netflix (netflix dvd for you who have never heard of such ancient tech & company) |
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I've read about most of the stories I've not seen, so I'm not worried about spoilers. As an aside (slightly), if you're into that really early period, have you ever seen any of The Quatermass Experiment? It's from the 50s and some of the episodes are lost but, in mixing elements of horror with sf, it clearly paved the way for Doctor Who. Hammer made some feature films of it, which are excellent, but you might find the original BBC tv series more interesting. Funnily enough, the BBC remade it recently with ... David Tennant. I prefer Doctor Who for a number of reasons but purely in terms of storylines, I'd say Quatermass was better written. (Its creator Nigel Kneale is a bit of a legend among fans of Brit sf.) |
ive heard/seen the name quatermass before but never actually known what it was about--now i know! i might look it up.
as for the spoilers...*SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS* i guess they were in a heavy experimental phase cuz susan is not a companion proper but rather an actual timelord herself. the actual companions at least in this period are susan's schoolteachers-- the history + the science teachers. which is actually cool. one thing that's interesting at least in this version is that the doctor is kind of a big fucking idiot when it comes to many things. it's the humans who have the most sense-- at least when dealing witht he cave people which is the only full story i've seen so far. maybe that was a feature of the classic era? a genius about some things a fool about others? really looking forward to the next one. primitive and outdated as it it, thru blurry washed out black and white, with the old toothless actor and all, and through many implausible stupidities, like the doctor not knowing how to make a fire without a match, it really works somehow. the next one is "the dead planet". which i'm looking forward to seeing. **END SPOILERS so much tv to look for! ha ha ha. thanks for the suggestions. -- eta: the next episode im gonna watch is the first of the THE DALEKS serial! first appearance ever. wooohooo! |
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Absolutely! Although it varies from doctor to doctor. Tom Baker was often winging it, deliberately using made up jargon to appear like he knew what he was doing, whereas Pertwee was far less slippery like that, perhaps because his companions were often members of UNIT*, a crack military organisation, who would've been able to see through it. * Torchwood are essentially a shadier version of UNIT. Begging the question, why go to all the trouble of inventing Torchwood in the reboot when they could've just as easily made UNIT a bit murkier? It's especially annoying as UNIT still feature in the reboot series. |
A question for Sev, which probably belongs in the comic thread but we're talking about Doctor Who a lot here, so is there anyone from the DC or Marvel universes who's anything like Doctor Who/a Timelord?
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Yes! There's actually a DC character, Rip Hunter, who is totally a Who rip. "Rip Hunter... Time Master." Haha. He's on one of those dumbass CW shows right now, but originally, yeah... very Who-esque. Check it out:  |
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Torchwood was — I believe — intended to originally be just a story arc for whatever season they were the bad guys for (was that season 2 of the reboot?) But it became a bigger thing and its own show because they smelled $, I expect. Lots of money to be made from Who spinoffs. Now there's CLASS, which is nowhere near as good as Torchwood. I'd like to see a River Song series. Just a couple of seasons to fill in the blanks. That would be tremendous. Bring back Matt Smith for a few eps. I'd watch the shit out of that. |
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if you watch/return promptly you can get say 2 discs per week, that's 8 discs watched per month, or $1 per disc, because they don't exist on bluray so you don't need that plan. the first disc is actually number 3-- go figure why they did this eta: if you're in the mood for bingeing then a 2 at a time deal will get you there faster and at a lower cost because the shipping overlaps (1 day to the facility 1 day back while you watch the one at home, etc) and your cost per disc drop to 50c or less. -- btw im rewatching marco polo from the start and it's more fun than i remember. now that one can download the files instead of just streaming it's a much better quality image. |
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Dude, I'm thoroughly sucked into the Americans right now. I can't stop/won't stop until I've seen everything. But thanks for the tips. We used to do the mail+streaming plan, but we kept losing discs or getting impatient and watching what we'd ordered somewhere else. |
is there anyone who isn't in love with keri russell after watching this show?
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Only on season 2 but... no. I would die for her. |
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Awesome. I'd never even heard of him. I'll definitely check him out. Thanks! |
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Yeah man no problem. Don't expect Doctor Who-like greatness though. Rip Hunter is a D-lister or below. The CW show Legends of Tomorrow has a VERY Doctor Who-esque premise, behind all the superhero shenanigans. Rip Hunter is the leader of a team of D-list heroes who travel through time on a ship (the Waverider) stolen from a group of future dudes who police time (the "Timemasters") LOLOL! It's of course a shit show like all the other CW superhero shows, but it seems to know it's a shit show, and is as a result sometimes knowingly cheeky and funny. There are a lot of Who-esque stories in both DC and Marvel, but I think Rip is the most overtly Whoish. |
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