Your inability to comprehend the most simple point is astounding

being a natural skeptic vs. being a definitive naysayer are two different things.

saying "I want more proof" is not the same as saying "no fucking way".

it just seems that certain people thrive on the sense of negative attention that one receives after getting high and typing.

certain people like cunts.

ps: unicrons are real. gtfo my forum.

again

I;m pretty sure that was a myth...like the fact people actually thought the earth was flat...

A fair point. I'd like to think I'm a natural skeptic. Like I said, I'm uncomfortable with belief without evidence. I guess I took exception with what seemed to be you equating skepticism with close-mindedness. Maybe you disagree, but I honestly don't think anyone here is really being close-minded.

what's wrong with that as a definition of ghost?

Bear in mind this was about 21 years ago.

Standing outside a building in the village of Newport in Essex.
Walking.
I don't know.

It doesn't really matter how we define something we have no proof for in the first place. It is like asking, "do we really know if dragons could breath fire?". If what humans have been calling "ghost" is a break in the time continuum (Worf and Data will have to weight in on this) then we need evidence of it none the less.

The point is, no, people do not always know when they have been asleep for a short moment. And they can confuse dreams for reality, especially during food in front of the tele. If you can fall asleep while driving you sure as hell can fall asleep while sitting on the couch, eating dinner, and watching television for a second.

Apparently enough was not said. :confused:

I'm not generalizing. EVERY "believer" has 0% objective evidence behind their "beliefs" or they wouldn't have to believe now would they? They would know. They walk out into the world and influence it everyday for believers and non believers alike with this warped view of reality (like curse words are bad). I don't care if you don't follow "organized religion" (ie don't go to church), if you "believe" you are part of the problem and I urge you to bring more honesty into the world instead.

Who am I? I'm just an honest person that says "I don't know" when something cannot be known instead of making up stupid shit.

It must be boring to go through life without an imagination, believing in nothing beyond that which can be proven.

hevusa, belief/faith on its own does NOT fuck shit up. Brutally murdering homosexuals because you say an extremely outdated book in the Bible says so fucks shit up. Blowing up cars and everyone unlucky enough to be standing nearby because you think the Quran tells you to fucks shit up. And albeit on a much smaller scale, knocking on people's doors and telling them the world's coming to end soon because free will is a bad thing that's only caused misery and suffering and God will change his mind about humans having it, that fucks shit up. I've met lots of Christians who aren't preachy and Muslims who aren't violent. The enemies are hate, ignorance, and arrogance, not faith and religion on their own.

Simply by "believing", instead of holding on to knowledge, they are bringing dishonesty into the world. That has a negative impact on us all. With the age of the internet, where everybody has instant access to information, "non theism" or the lack of belief has become the fastest growing demographic when compared to religious groups. This is REALLY GOOD NEWS for us all.

Belief = ignorance instead of knowledge

For the record I'm NOT an atheist. I'm agnostic (because I'm an honest person).

Don't you mean "faith = ignorance instead of knowledge"?

Because, if that is what you mean, you are denying the Aristotelean definition of knowledge, which for most people is the definition of knowledge.

No! I don't think so?

evidence=

much like female ejaculation - you do not think it's real until it happens to you.

not you you, hevusa, don't try that at home.

Agnostic: comes from greek gnosis=knowledge, and 'a' means no or none.
You're preaching your own ignorance.

Ghosts are commonly associated with the spirit of a dead person appearing in non-corporeal forms. Appearances by extraterrestrial entitities of various forms would strongly indicate that they are other living beings existing on other planets/galaxies, not deceased bodies revealing themselves through shy manifestations, particularly because their non-corporeal status would suggest that they'd be able to defy the reactions of the people who spot them and make their presence felt much more and umistakingly. I have a hard time believing that a ghost's sole function is that of making an occasional appearance and engage in particularly negative, positive or just useless activity in enviroments that almost always separate them to a large degree from humans. The existence of extraterrestrial life, though, I don't find hard to believe because with so much space and matter existing beyond this planet it's much easier to at least admit without proof that we are not the only ones here.

Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable.

isn't agnosticism like: I don't know so I won't be annoying people with ultimate truths? If not, let me know, gotta find another ism.

It means being intellectually honest about what cannot be known, like ghosts, god, the loch ness monster, etc. Until some objective evidence is presented to the contrary.

In essence it is spiritual honesty.

Well, if you're honest you'll say you don't know.

I do. What I KNOW in regards to ghosts is there as never been an ounce of objective evidence to prove they exist and are real. Until such evidence is presented they remain on the unicorn/dragon/god list.

When I was in high school I was babysitting in a 200 year old house, and things would happen - noises upstairs (which wasn't used), lights would turn on or off, the dog would get weird - a couple years later while driving by someone told me the house was haunted.

Anyone ever read any recent Tim Powers? HE seems to have it figured out...

Knox. If Tesla backing you up doesn't scare you nothing will. hahaha

well, that is your problem isn't it.
that's not agnosticism tho.
btw, few things scare me, tesla certainly isn't one of them.

Actually, yes, it is every humans problem when dumb people don't understand the world around them (like you).

"Agnosticism is the view that the truth value of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—is unknown or unknowable."

I thought you quoted that already? Why are you so annoying and judgemental and ready to throw insults around? I can't help but hear this teenage boy angry voice when I read your posts. You're like a bible basher with no bible and less eloquence. You need to grow up.

UUUH DUMB, UUUH YOU DONT AGREE WITH ME FUCK OFF, UUUH MY FRIEND DOESN'T DO BROS BEFORE HOES, UUUH ESTROGEN MAKES YOU STUPID.

I mean, you might think it's ok to go around insulting women - but doesn't that explain a lot?

Goodbye.

Because you are fucking stupid enough to claim to be the first person in the world to have objective information about ghosts. Mind blowing and fun to laugh at the same time! Thanks knox!
I didn't know you were a girl, so that is not why I am insulting you though. It is because you are stupid enough to think you have that objective evidence. Hahahahahaha

No, don't go. You are too fucking funny! Next you can provide your objective evidence for the existence of God and Nessie!

Huh!?

So... if I don't believe in ghosts, leprechauns, bigfoot, God, etc., then I have no imagination? Do beliefs and imagination really have ANYTHING to do with one another? Cause I think I can imagine quite a few things that I don't believe in. For instance, I can imagine giant, man-eating, lobsters taking over the planet... that doesn't mean I think it's gonna happen though.

The "believers" probably don't understand that God/Religion have nothing to do with morality either. Morality can actually be completely independent from religion.

Here we go! This is kinda what I meant, when I asked previously for you to define what you meant by 'ghosts'. It seemed like we were maybe talking about two different things?

I guess for me (and a lot of people, I think) when I hear the term 'ghost', the first thing I think of is the notion of a 'spirit' or 'soul' of a deceased person that still somehow inhabits the earth. I mean, I think the very first post in this thread kinda defined it in a very similar way, right? I guess maybe you've got a totally different notion of what the term 'ghost' conotes? I mean, here you're talking about some kind of "break in the continuum of time". That's something I've never ever heard posited as a theory to explain any paranormal phenomenon.

So... maybe this whole argument is moot? Maybe we've been talking about two different things entirely?
Ha!

Absolutely. I've had this argument with religious friends and relatives about 1,000 times.

That was what I've been trying to find out.

You're stupid enough to think I said that? I never said that. I hate people who make things up.

You didn't know I'm female? That's bullshit.

No, Knox just changed her definition of "ghost" when she realized there were huge holes with her "objective evidence" she thought she had. hahahahahahaha

I never changed anything because I never said much about what I think in the first place. Stop acting like an idiot and trying to pick a fight.

morality derives from evolution-- it's a survival mechanism to maintain group cohesion ("safety in numbers").

if you keep trying to get her to admit error it gets really funny and deranged... and funny

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to !@#$%! again.