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replace "i wanna get free i wanna get free ride into the sun" with "i'm a negative creep i'm a negative creep and i'm stoned" and you'll find the key.
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I thought I was the only one! And I'm a freaking Nirvana freak! I much prefer Bleach and Nevermind. I love the shit out of fucking Nevermind, in fact. I don't care what anybody says about it. |
a big part of kurt's self imposed (yes, self fucking imposed; it wasn't just a random "lucky occurrence) image is strongly based on joseph campbell's hero's journey.
dude drove (and still drives) on martyrdom. same with eddie vedder, except he didn't buy into his self image and actually go to the deep end. "smarter" business decisions. |
Atsonicpark, usually you're posts are interesting even if one does not agree with what you're on about. But in this thread you've made no sense and brought up little to no argument supporting your case whatsoever - just childish insults. Many bands you listen to are fucking junkies, dude, what are you talking about? Mindless lyrics? You've stated members in your band don't even know your songs and they improvise - mindless? As old as it is to defend Cobain (which I'd be doing in this case for any musician/band whether I like the music or not) it's even more tiring and cliche to insult Cobain/Nirvana.
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Many bands get huge success and are talentless. It's a rare occasion when worthy bands get ahead. Which is why Nirvanas fame was/is warranted.
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ian curtis is so apples and oranges, dude was a manic depressive guy, "exploited" it on his lyrics (i don't think that, i think he was just being honest, but you can argue about it), BUT didn't dive into feeling worst or presenting himself as being worse than he was to the point for his art and image that he became that. AND joy division when they were around were not even a tenth as famous as nirvana were in their prime. have you checked what kind of arenas pearl jam play? i can't stand them but dudes sell millions and pack arenas worldwide. my point was that eddie vedder also played the role of troubled artist but didn't become as self absorbed into that roled as kurt cobain and, therefore, could continue his career, whether nirvana fucking ended yet they sell records like crazy (that's why i put "smarter" in quotation marks). and that remark about how much they sell, well, that's what i meant in my previous post, dude wouldn't want it any other way. |
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couldn't agree more, and because of what you just described about kurt proves that there was a yearning for power and control in his own person and he used it in a negative way, for a shitload of reasons. of course i agree with that part of the "trouble artist", totally, but there's a projection on their self images that both guys had and one let him, for whatever reasons, to take the best of him and fucking ending his life, while the other kept it in check. the artist who suffers and dies for his art is another archtype that people respond strongly to and another reason why he keeps on being this icon. |
The guy wrote good tunes...The biggest irritation for me when it comes to Cobain is when people base their decisions over (or even think they know) what Kurt wanted/thought. Unless you knew him personally its hard to make a judgement on "what you see"...However, even people on here claiming you can't judge the book by the cover... Judge people by the cover all the time. Fuck even Kurt probably did. I remember seeing an interview where he bashed Pearl Jam and called them manufactured or something along those lines. Well Kurt for a band that is just 'hopping on the bandwagon' they sure have lasted quite some time now.
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Pearl Jam are cool, but them still making music today was a smart business choice? I think I disagree.
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Sometimes when I read atsonicpark's posts I can't help but wonder if this guy really loves music, or he's just a poseur. I mean this in the nicest possible way, because he seems to also be able to come up with some interesting points of view, but then he goes all the way to come across like some overopinionated indie geek.
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in utero, like it a lot it has a good sound but i would have liked to have heard the original version of it before other producers and the label got their hands on it and added changes. milk it is probably my favourite on here and i love the title of radio friendly unit shifter, ace name.
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I actually prefer the kind of awkward, accidental-sounding funk with songs like Milk It and In Bloom.
But then again I always like when heavy guitar songs drop the guitar and let the hidden bassline carry. Fugazi's Shut the Door, etc. |
my god is this thread still going.........
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Now hold it -- when did I say "mindless lyrics"? And, for the record, I may listen to bands with junky members, but I don't worship those guys. Anyway, I really like Bleach and Incesticide, but I don't care for much of the other stuff. And Kurt just irritates me forever. That's all. |
It was a joke, Sway. As in hardy-har-har-har. Jokes. Etc. Although, I probably should have just put "Pearl Jam should have shut the door years ago". But then I probably would have got a spiel about how you've seen them shut car doors, house doors, etc. So I probably should have just said I don't really care for them these days - but I think that was kinda evident anyways.
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Bumped for the continued appreciation of In Utero - the culmination of Bleach and Nevermind - the peak of a tortured artist's manic vision and dream yearnings... For a world where pop doesn't have to suck my motherfuckng balls...
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Muddy Banks Of Wishkah >
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Mmm... In Utero is neither that abrasive nor that aggressive. It's pretty MOR, not that that's necessarily a bad thing. I loved this album when I was younger, but having heard the so-called Steve Albini mix, which is supposedly a very far-away cleaned-up version of his mix, I wish they had released that. It actually sounded very abrasive in some parts, and really cool and intriguing in others. And that's not something I can say about any of Nirvana's music, except maybe their really late stuff. It's way better than Nevermind, though. I mean, I'm not even talking about production or musical "ethics" or indieness and that bullshit, I'm talking about pure and simple songwriting. It's a million times more consistent than Nevermind. The noise songs are more committed to the noise and also more thought out. The ballady songs are more melodic. The ones in the middle like "Heart-Shaped Box'' are also better. Not to mention the lyrics actually having some thought put into them (and we ALL know that was at least partially thanks to you know who's influence, whether we want to admit it or not). Quote:
Paranoid really isn't THAT great of an album. You can tell it was rushed out to capitalize on their success or whatever. The first album was much better in every way. Lyrically it was much better and musically I think it was too. Although "Paranoid" is a really good song. Quote:
Listen to the alternate mix and you'll see that that's absolutely not true. Every song on that mix is different in at least some small way. Most of them are very different. Quote:
This is definitely not their best song haha. First of all, it wasn't even a fucking Nirvana song, it was a remixed version of a song on Dave's Pocket Watch thing, and second of all it's a terrible song and the only reason you posted this is to be "edgy" |
Okay, then, by your no-logic, you said Paranoid is not good to be "edgy", too! See how that works? Crazy!
...But, seriously, Marigold is by far the best song recorded during that time. Even MY MASTER MASTIKAL, MR. ALBINI, thinks so. Scentless Apprentice is also really good, wasn't that also written by Dave? Oh no it's not a Nirvana song either then! Etc. |
It's a great album but not the best womb themed album I can think of.
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What is the best womb themed album you can think of; off the top of your head...
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Hit or miss. I've grown to appreciate it a bit more in time. I LOVE Milk It (even though it's clearly a Melvins ripoff; same bassline, structure, etc), Frances Farmer, Scentless, Serve, Dumb, Very Ape, Radio Friendly. Not a big fan of any of the other songs, but they are all interesting in some way. Heart Shaped kinda goes nowhere, but at least creates a cool atmosphere, with its ugly chord pickings. Rape Me.... I mean, it's kinda cool how it sounds exactly like Smells Like Teen spirit at the beginning, and then considering the content of the song -- it almost seems like a parody of, and a response to, Teen Spirit. Don't like All Apologies at all, aside from the ending. I do remember listening to it once and hearing what sounded like a piece of paper at one point, like Kurt turning a piece of paper with lyrics on it, over.
Decent album, seems a bit conflicted in what they were trying to accomplish, but that adds to the charm. It's also the first CD I ever bought with my own birthday money (first tape I ever got was WALK AMONG US, at age 6). I think I was 8. I'd like to hear the other version, the mixed version that wasn't released, or whatever infinitemusic's post alludes to. |
my fave of trhe three studio albums. Scentless Apprentice does kick ass also Radio Friendly..da.sd.a.rs...
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Dave Grohl And Krist Novoselic Share Memories, Unreleased Tracks From 'In Utero'
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Still my fav. album of all time. Think I'll be getting the new box set, but by golly gosh it costs a fair few pennies.
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IN UTERO TURNS 20 AT EMP - ELECTRONIC PRESS KIT
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that super deluxe is looking nice, but i wish i could get it under 100, ugh decisions
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atari, thanks (and it's good to see you around)!
I was hesitant to check out the NPR link as I don't want to hear that obscure "Forgotten Tune" yet as I plan to purchase the box-set. The rest of that program is worth a listen, though (enjoying it now). I'm familiar with a lot of the material. Most of it has circulated in trading circles/torrent sites for years. It is my understanding even the Steve Albini original mix has been released by Geffen Records at some point already... This reissue is still an interesting object to me, though, even if it would cost crazy bucks (don't remember if the "Nevermind" reissue was as costly, probably it was) and I think there could be a horrible loudness-war remaster there, too, which in my case would not make me happy in the slightest. Really looking forward to the "Live and Loud" DVD and CD, though. It's great to know an universally acclaimed performance will finally get an official release in its full form. As a side note, just the other day I was reading Tom Hansen's "American Junkie", and found a mention of that Live and Loud show, which had more to do with Kurt Cobain's heroin addiction at the time, as opposed to providing any sort of context in regards to that particular Nirvana performance. |
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Yes, I've been happy with all the DVD reissues, Reading, Unplugged, 1991: Year That Punk Broke, Live!Tonight!Sold Out!, and now definitely Live and Loud which is the best Nirvana show I think. Its great to finally replace all those VHS copies from the 1990s, and again, that is something that kids today simply couldn't have experienced otherwise.. |
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damn you courtney you are still so damned greedy its always a fucking Nirvana sabotage. Why not release Live and Loud separately as a stand alone Live DVD?? Why make us buy something we already have. I'm not even remotely interested in buying a reissue of material I've had since I was in elementary school, I'm happy the kids in elementary-high school today get to relive our 1990s joy of more obscure Nirvana, but I also want to buy that DVD, and now I won't.. Sighs. Its been twenty fucking years of this shit, Nirvana won't finally be itself until she is dead, and then Francis can rekindle a revival like Hendrix's sister has been doing lately. What she has been doing over the past 15 years with the Hendrix Estate is remarkable, what Courtney has been doing with Nirvana is embarrassing..
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