I have never heard any The Gossip.

What's subversive about them, music excluded?

but I have seen this picture.

i think i said herself, and the lyrics right?

wasnt their first famous song something about the result of homophobic general feeling stopping civil rights like gay marriage?

because that's what I got.

also sadly being fat and not being afraid of it is not only rare but constitutes subversion of the order nowadays.

these little things, you know, are still more than any other mainstream rock bands have been attempting.

i think she speaks to people, and the kids specially need that.

^ standing in the way of control was written as a response to bush trying to ban gay marriage.

i totally agree with what you (knox) just wrote.

If by subversion of the order of things you mean that things happen because some homosexual singer writes about injustice perpetuated by a sexual majorioty on a sexual minority. The more tiresome, frustrating, much less glamorourous work that political activists take upon themselves in order to make it a recurrent issue makes her ''subversion'' happen. Beth Ditto is just a reflection of that. I'm glad she exists, and I'm sure she's not just some cynical, opportunistic human being, but that's where her subversion starts and finish, a mere blink in the eye of the perpetuators of injustice.

and?

the gossip's music is not about to totally transform the nature of heterosexism, however it does provide a good anthem. music is important because it makes people feel less alienated, you know

a blink in the eye is better than no blink in the eye.

i hope my 2nd post makes sense a bit because editing text on a mobile phone is a bitch.

i hope my 2nd post makes sense a bit because editing text on a mobile phone is a bitch. Certainly from this carcass of a keyboard.

i wouldn't have bothered.

basically, you agreed that yes the gossip is slightly subversive, which is what we've been saying.

sure. Still not cause to call it subversion.

you're subversive

any subversion is subversion.

the same way any penis - regardless of the significante of its size - is still a penis.

the same way contaminating material is still contaminating - regardless of how much it will contaminate.

you know.

this

tell me about it. It is plain wrong to attribute tasks to it that simply aren't sustainable for an artistic form that feeds its very existence from the happiness, misery, and all the other feelings inbetween which make human life what it is.

gibberish