exactly! my thoughts. he was fucked up but not that fucked up. well, maybe more fucked up than we think.

I mean, you wouldn't do nothing like that would you? show children your pecker? I denied the MF thing for so long because I was a fan.

I haven't forgot.

it's weird. dude had access to all kinds of pussy. why would he show his vitiligo dick to children unless he was really a prev.

I like to think otherwise.:) it doesn't matter. it's such a great song.

I haven't forgotten. Neither has Rolling Stone, or Vh1. And really, someone had to do it. It was more symbolic than anything. MJ had already had the top spot for weeks, so it was bound to end soon.

Still, yeah, a very big achievement for a "new" artist's first major label album. Unprecedented really. But Nevermind has sold more copies to date than Dangerous by far (7 million to, I believe, 12 million) ...

Hard to believe that was only MJ's fourth studio album, and kinda the last one from his real golden era.

That album has freaking NINE singles. Did y'all know that? NINE singles.

This is bringing back a lot of memories for me, many of which I hadn't thought about in years and years prior to this conversation.

A couple years ago I was at a party with my girlfriend and her family (yeah, my girlfriend's mom loves to party... acts like a 20 year old. Cool lady, awful parent) anyway, "Man in the Mirror" came on and -- even though I hadn't heard the song in forever -- some part of me recognized it INSTANTLY, and I was snapping my fingers to the beat before I even really knew what was going on. I looked around and my girlfriend's mom was doing the same thing and we both started laughing our asses off. It was like we'd planned it. Then we turnt that shit up.

I love it when things that seem like they should only happen in really bad sitcoms happen in real life. There's a little bit of Peter Griffin in me, I must say.

^^^ ha! love it. nothing wrong with "Man in the Mirror". always loved that song and not in a hipster ironic way. not saying you two were. it is a good song.

....wouldn't the typical white hipster dweeb response be to glorify the living shit out of kanye?? :cool: :cool: :cool:

also thank you so much for this. the implications in your post rob are so fucking gross it makes me feel a little ill to be honest...why didn't you feel the need to mention goddamn chris brown or a genuine hackjob who doesn't also happen to be a woman?

janet jackson may not have had the cultural supremacy of her brother, but she made some absurdly innovative pop records along the way there: control, janet., the velvet rope etc. there is no way that you can undermine her incredible contribution to the popular music landscape (she presages the current trend for liquid r&b by a good 25 years) when I honestly can't say that michael's music has inspired anything more than throwbacks. his music is a relic and not a comparably substantial part of an ongoing cultural dialogue, and that is the case because to put it simply his music didn't accomplish all that much. *he* did, he was a phenomenally talented guy, but the amount of shit he put out honestly comes pretty close to outstripping said talent.

also also you guys should be talking about the babyfather lp, rips the shit out of your cranium

I agree kinda. louder is a hipster and he doesn't even know it because he's in exile. the new hipster loves Future and Young Thug and Kayne and Taylor Swift. this new hip hop is whats on the the nerdy white boys mind. anything that resembles rock is a rehash and old peoples music without a smart phone. it's blunts, xtc and sex and revenge of Eminime. guitars are a ghosts. I can't blame them because rock music is dead. dead as dead. it died. the kids want pop with a popism attitude because they hate instruments. fuck you and yr old shit. they want Jennifer lopez with the best electronic sounds and pop. they want everything pop. pop hip hop with pop sounds to make you feel inferior unwilling to kill you and everything you love. there's no such thing as selling out anymore with these people. they are young and want to cum with pop, not to mention smart phones .

I tell the truth because im in it and im right and if you disagree with me I know people that can set me up hiring people that could kill you. if your looking for punk rock attitude I suggest look to the past.

... Jennifer Lopez?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzZ_urpj4As this is just so indescribably cringe-worthy in retrospect.


/// how can anyone justifiably charge $20USD for a digital download???

Dangerous still sold over 20 million copies before MJ died so really what Nirvana did was symbolic

A digital download for $20? No thanks. AND....he promises to keep fucking with it!!

I said that because of the random Kid Rock and Jim O'rourke mentions

Made me cringe but whatever man

Man what the hell are you even talking about..

It's out on Spotify, Apple Music and Google Play too.

it's pretty fucking blatantly obvious that kanye west is comparable to kid rock with respect to his personality, and when trying to compare extant rock stars with rappers it's abundantly clear that they're real similar figures. the guy makes impeccable production/collaboration choices ie jim o'rourke for a buttload of acts across the 90s and 00s, so it's not exactly random, especially if you're again trying to equate certain 'rappers' to certain 'rockstars'.....

and just to reiterate the white hipster dweeb is generally inclined more heavily towards kanye west rather than kid rock innit. I mean where do your tastes lie dude?

THose who hate hipsters just wish they were hip tooo

Kanye West is so much more like A THOUSAND of his fellow hip-hop artists than he is like Kid Rock. It's like you've been sleeping on the entire genre for decades. Kid Rock? What the hell man. You coming out of a coma?

Uh, yeah. It's also available for free on all steaming music services. So, keep complaining.


To Pimp A Butterfly costs $17 in the store, unless you're buying from a store that purchase it directly from the label.

I've heard three versions of the album and I haven't paid a cent for any of them. Now I'm going to buy the $20 one because that's just who I am. For all I know, the digital download will allow you to download future versions.

I like when I buy a vinyl LP and they include a free digital download. That is the best of both worlds....

I just have to say this, not to you, just out loud because it's been on my minds since that first comment about white hipsters...

HELLO! THIS IS A FUCKING SONIC YOUTH BOARD!!!
CHANCES ARE HIGH THAT EVERYONE HERE HAS A BIT OF HIPSTER IN THEM, WHATEVER THAT MEANS THESE DAYS (used to mean going to local shows and local bars and playing Pavement and Built to Spill covers with your college rock band) AND NO DOUBT AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE USERS HERE ARE WHITE.

So, who's gonna talk shit about white "hipsters" now? Hopefully nobody, because we all know it's bullshit.

Kanye west man fukin ell yous are fekin nuts! the cunt is trying to pay the Australian mural guy off now........ JUST FUCK OFF kanye aye blah blah blingo bingo blingao

Sure man. Kid Rock has done so much for the black community in America.. I need to delve deep in his discography and find his Jesus Walks or Family Business. Lol.

The most ironic thing is that HE is probably much closer to Kid Rock than Kanye..

I keep forgetting this, sadly.

New dvsn and Terrace Martin albums are just OK, at least for me.

I want the new Beyonce to arrive already.

.....depression kicks in... just outside the states..

I told everyone rock was dead 10 years ago and no one listened......

Haha not me. Not the least bit. Indeed i am by definition anti-hipster in every way. And ill talk plenty of shit too

I always get confused. has the meaning of hipster changed now to mean a poser?

Hipster used to mean someone who was hip. It meant this before the flower-power "hippies"

"Hip" used to mean someone who was cool around drugs and druggies.

OK sorry I did not realize it is free elsewhere. (So....why is it $20 for a digital download? Educate this old guy, please.)

And yes, I will keep complaining. I will gladly pay $20 for a physical copy, with artwork and all. But not for a download. That's just who I am.

At this point, everyone seems to have their own definition of the word. For me, a hipster is pretty much a tryhard.. a bandwagoner who constantly chases the next trend.

But sometimes I just use it to describe someone who is being edgy and a contrarian. :p

I'm aware that a part of the hip hop movement was to stay "hip" though.

Hippie and hipster always meant scenster or advanded poser yes. Hippies didn't like being called hippies.

It essentially means they adopt our art culture strictly for the fashion of it. Fuck them.