speaking of the regrettable side effects of drugs, although it's nigh impossible to make me feel shame for things I say on The Internet, I often regret (and I do mean often) that time I berated an addicted and drug adled ni'k for stealing things and then skipping out on rent.

although at the time it made me chuckle, his depiction of me as a 'rancid moldy cunt' via user notes is far more stinging than, say, suggesting to dear sweet Rosie, that I'm stabbing myself in the heart over Elliot Smith.

please forgive me.

I grab knives on weed so I'm not the best example.

idk who jonathan is
but he always seems like the one sane person on the board

Before our western cultural revolution did away with the authority and legitimacy of the ancients, people didn't walk haphazardly into drug induced ecstasies, they had shamanistic guides. Even in the pre-Protestant Church, there were Priests to guide folks through the meditation of the Mass and the inducements of the Bread and Wine. People inherently needs plants and potions to break away from the domestication that has been ingrained in us to survive this chaotic world. However, there is an underlying harmony which modern Quantum Mechanics is finally getting to understanding. The depths of string theory is more bizarre than any bag of mushrooms you ever ate, and a person could get just as mixed up and immortalized reading Stephen Hawkings as the Festus accused the Apostle Paul of being when he said, "You are mad Paul! Too much studying has driven you insane!"

The problem is not in the plants and potions, its in the absolute lack of restraint and supervision. People who just want to binge should invest in cheap tequila, plants are for different kinds of "freak outs" LSD, that shit is just crazy, I don't suppose there could be a shamanistic tradition properly oriented around it, its not organic, the trip is not navigable, it just takes to the edge of physical sensory perception and reminds you your everyday reality is really just a delightful story you've invented to describe the bombardment of senses perceptions just as you do in your mind's eye when you read a good novel. For that, LSD is good for folks who really need to wake up and live and see that its not all what the thought, but to be honesty, its a rather extreme way to do that, and there are not guarantees. I say stick with the naturals, and even then, only under expert supervision with honorable intentions.

The problem with today, is the kids ain't go no respect for it.

it's been AGES since I've kicked in anybody's door, or say, sold stolen goods in the hallways of a school in order to fund a weekend's activities.

and by ages, I mean well past the statute of limitations, in case this thread is being perused by Agents of The Man.

ages.

problem is we don't respect drugs enough.

If you find messageboards hard to deal with, I dread to think what sort of pussy you must be like in real life.

Fuck salvia. smoke some pot.

Agreed. However, moderation is a tricky thing for me now, I'm thinking it's not even worth trying. Just, why? Long ago, all the benefits wore off, and regardless of how stable I'm feeling now, I've never given myself any reason to believe i even can moderate. I like this new control I have, I'm at least aware of what's coming off bizarre to the rest of the world. Of course, i never was a recreational user, always a self-medicator, and turns out psychiatry actually DOES have something to offer. I'm not ruling anything out though, in the long run. But for now, I'm on probation, so fuck all that nonsense.
But I feel the same about psychedelics. Never craved them once. A good trip always left me satisfied. But you get out what you put in, so most kids are just getting brainfuls of shit from the stuff. For me, it just seems like a hassle and too much of a commitment right now.
Research isn't gonna save anyone with a real drug problem. It might prevent a few casualties (such as the aforementioned folks driving on salvia), but who wants them around anyway?

lol
Putting a 50 year old on ignore.

i'm curious about this salvia stuff, never really done very many drugs tho so i don't know....

I took a few hits one night few years ago, but didn't feel much. I had one fit of laughter and a feeling of heavy headedness for a moment, but that's about it.
Dunno about the potency of the stuff, but the two other guys were basically rolling on the floor.

I've rarely read a worthwhile post by him...youre not the only one

agreed.

getting into 'what constitutes a worthwhile post' is a slippery slope that most would lose horribly at (everyone but knox. she makes awesome posts).

I've also yet to ever use the ignore feature. when you do that, you let the terrorists win.

being american, I never let the terrorists win.

I bust in, in the middle of the night, using stealth helicopters and trained military dogs; I shoot your women and children, steal your thumbdrives and take you back to my secret torture prison, leading the world to believe you are dead and at the bottom of the ocean.

the ignore feature would hinder my psyOps.

all of that said, maybe if we all lined up and gave that big ol' bear a nice sweaty hug, he'd forget his unhappy days and smile his toothless grins once more.

d'awwwwwwwww

lol

where is nik? i need to be entertained today.

my feet are cold.

I imagine he's on the down phase of his manic-oppression.

Great advice hypertonic, you covered most of it there. Erowid's a good resource too, and as a volunteer, you have no idea how many submissions we get of people joking around with Salvia. Just because (in most places) it's widely available doesn't mean it's fun and games.