The Offspring has pulled off an interesting feat with me. Their latter day albums have sucked so bad, that they've actually negatively affected the way I hear their early albums.

pop punk is to one man offspring and bad religion..to another its mass of the fermenting dregs and buzzcocks

to me pop punk is anything upbeat poppy and punky..sorry to be obvious!!! going by that wikipedia list....ramones, buzzcocks and undertones are high on my chart....jimmyeatworld and green day and the offspring are not..they are just shite.... opinions people!

shonen knife, and that's about it for me.

dead milkmen damnit

oooooooh good call! How could I forget them?

out in the woods
up to no good
I want to make friends with the badger
the woodchuck likes me
we're smokin some tea...


I love dead milkmen.

but
CIRCLE JERKS anyone?

yes to Circle Jerks!

So far,
Dead Milkmen
Circle Jerks
Bad Religion (recipe for hate?)
AFI
Descendents
Screeching Weasel
and I know they aren't ''pop-punk'' but I can't help thinking of Social Distortion

I always thought Punk was a return to pop values after the Rockism of Prog etc anyway. The Ramones and The Buzzcocks adored Pop while The Sex Pistols unashamedly targeted the singles chart and the pop media while even covering The Monkees. The only difference between their brand of Pop-Punk and today's is that bands like Green Day do all they can to deny what they are.

I've been trying to articulate that^ to a lot of people, without success, for quite some time.

This one is bad.
I want to sell it for a long time, but no second-hand record store ever wanted it (even in the pre file-sharing area)

the OG punks were NOT returning to pop. fuck pop. they were treturning to original ROCK N ROLL, chuck berry riffs, etc.

fuck pop

good call on Mass of the Fermenting Dregs, pauly.

and hardcore started with BAD BRAINS in the EAST coast baby!!!!!!!!!! the sex pistols were a marketing JOKE

I always thought the ''pop'' of that album made it sound bad, but the guy wanted pop sounding punk recommendations.

right you are sir, I remeber reading tons of interviews with 70's new york folk that jsut wanted to sound like the first beatles record and chuck berry. (which ironically, were both hugely ''pop''ular, while still sounding very rock.)

twas ROCK.

pop is for sinatra/standards/balladeers/britney spears/titney rears.

I know, I know. I was just illustrating how rock became popular, hence being categorized as ''pop'', even though ''pop'' is typically identified as you have pointed out by a sound. Much the same with the term ''indie''. In the beginning most indie bands did not sound alike, but nowadays, ''indie'' has become an identifying sound.

yeah I'm not sure what to include here...

maybe...


The Vandals - When In Rome Do As The Vandals
Guns n' Wankers - For Dancing and Listening (I love this fucking album)

my brain is slowly dying in the heat. I'll try to think of more than two later...

I fucking love Bad Religion up to Recipe for Hate.. which only has like 2 good songs on it (the title track and "skyskraper"). everything before that is gold. I wouldn't call em pop punk for the most part but, strangely, they probably have some of the best vocal harmonies of any band...

i never liked gorilla biscuits