Originally Posted by Sn@ke

Then you are playing it wrong, where's that tab?, maybe 25% of the notes/chords you are playing are right, the rest are wrong.

If you really want to play that song, check this thread:

http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/sho...4442#post14442

That's my Dirty Boots tab (T's part), I think it is 95% accurate.

Originally Posted by Sn@ke

I would love to hear how do you play dirty boots using standard tuning, you can't play those things, but..who knows, you're da musician!

...oh and good luck trying to play the intro:

Intro:
D|----5-------7-------2-------4-------5-------7-------2-------4------|
E|--3-------5-------0-------2-------3-------5-------0-------2--------|
G|---------------------------------------------------------------etc-|
D|-5---5---7---7---2---2---4---4---5---5---7---7---2---2---4---4-----|
G|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
E|-------------------------------------------------------------------|

I know how are you going to play that using standard tuning, something like this?:

E|-----3----5----0----2-----|
B|--------------------------|
G|--------------------------|
D|--5-5--7-7--2-2--4-4------|
A|--------------------------|
E|--------------------------|

that doesn't sound exactly like the song, you need that low E.

Originally Posted by m^a(t)h

It seems like sonic youths unusual tunings are now only a gimmick to keep them from being considered just "rock". For the most part their songs are very tonal and harmonic. The unususal tunings serve little purpose nowadays. Im saying this because I hate when people talk to me about them and how they heard there tunings are so weird. I mean songs like "shadow of a doubt", "halloween", and "brave men run" take full advantage of the open tunings (along with many other of their earlier works). But alot of their newer stuff is just power chords unecessarily spaced across octaves.

Im going to get bashed for saying that....

Originally Posted by next step

I remember an interview to Lee and he said standard tuning has a standard sound.
Nothing more true!

Originally Posted by lunberg

This may seem obnoxious but you can't let people bullshit you with this tonal - non tonal stuff.

Originally Posted by lunberg

I think if people didn't misuse words we wouldn't have this lame debate :
- standard tuning has NOTHING to do with whether something is tonal or not : just because u use non standard tuning doesnt mean you make atonal music

- that said, SONIC YOUTH has never been atonal. Yes of course, there's a non tonal part in almost every song but every song they did as SY(except those found in WM or NYCGF ) is TONAL : meaning it has a tonality.
DDN is definitely TONAL (or MODAL depending on the song ). However the released SYR is rarely tonal.
The reason why Sonic Youth (and they're far from being the only ones) uses alternate tunings is because :
- Some chords are easier to play in a certain tuning
- The harmonics when sounding the guitar aren't the same.

This may seem obnoxious but you can't let people bullshit you with this tonal - non tonal stuff.

Originally Posted by lunberg

I think if people didn't misuse words we wouldn't have this lame debate :
- standard tuning has NOTHING to do with whether something is tonal or not : just because u use non standard tuning doesnt mean you make atonal music

- that said, SONIC YOUTH has never been atonal. Yes of course, there's a non tonal part in almost every song but every song they did as SY(except those found in WM or NYCGF ) is TONAL : meaning it has a tonality.
DDN is definitely TONAL (or MODAL depending on the song ). However the released SYR is rarely tonal.
The reason why Sonic Youth (and they're far from being the only ones) uses alternate tunings is because :
- Some chords are easier to play in a certain tuning
- The harmonics when sounding the guitar aren't the same.

This may seem obnoxious but you can't let people bullshit you with this tonal - non tonal stuff.

Originally Posted by Glice

Derek Bailey. Derek Bailey. Derek Bailey.

Need I go on?

Originally Posted by top 40 squeeze

Nonstandard tunings is how they learned how to play their instruments, and how they've been writing songs for 25 years. Its what they are used to, and the exact opposite of a gimmick, because it is now fully integrated into their style. Its how they know how to play the guitar.