yeah as i said when they write a good song its really really good better than anything the flaming lips have ever done, but for me the flaming lips don't put bad songs on their albums and sonic youth do, they can be average, and i wonder if they put the time that the flaming lips do into their albums they wouldn't have albums like that. Its just with sonic youths 90's albums like EJST&NS i end up skipping some songs, but there are a few really really good sonic youth tracks on there like sweet shine. And with the flaming lips the album as a whole sounds great from start to finish like sonic youth's late 80's albums. and i do love Washing Machine and Murray Street but even those albums have not so great songs on them.

thats just not true!, if they said that they said it as a joke. they might not have had a musical direction but they sure as hell had creativity!

now this is where we disagree i think the flaming lips have evolved more than sonic youth have. they might not be as creative.

i picked Sonic Youth, cuz i'm not a part of a Flaming Lips forum.

I don't know if you can compare a band to Sonic Youth. In sound perhaps, but just in general....quality? I don't know. I'm not saying that SY are the best band ever, but in terms of what appeals to me, I am yet to find a more appealing band at this stage.

I can't stand the Flaming Lips.

Out of curiosity, what can't you stand?

Their music.

The Flaming Lips are ones of those bands like The Fall that everyone loves that I will not for the life of me 'get'. Although I frequently live to regret these statements like I did with Arcade Fire. In 6 months time i'll probebly be proclaiming the genius of both the Flaming Lips and The Fall from the rooftops.

You're right. They had no skill to translate the creativity into their music. Honestly, I'm suprised you haven't seen the 'Fearless Freaks' DVD, THEY go into detail about this much more. Seriously, Wayne and Michael both admitted that they lacked the skill to make the music they wanted to. So maybe I shouldn't have said creativity and should have said skill.

Yeah, but, look what happened after Drozd (the skill) came about, I mean, yeah they reinvented themselves, but they rode on Stephen's talent. Furthermore, they are inconsistent at best, At War With The Mystics embodies that statement.

Thing is, none of the original or current memebers of Sonic Youth had any formal musical training, they probably weren't light years away fromt he FL back in the early 80's as far as talent goes, but look what they did, they created something original and fresh. Sure borrowed from others but who hasn't. Throughout the whole history of the FL, it has always been an outside member (not a founding member) that has wrote most of the music such as Ronald and Stephen.

i have seen it, i have all their dvds. they weren't professional musicians, steven was, but they were creative.


thats just not true, if you have seen the fearless freaks dvd you will have seen wayne writing songs right there!, there is footage of him writing songs from the Clouds Taste Metallic album, and that was when Ronald and Steven were in the band.

all y'all can continue this debate over the Lips worth in today's music, but the fact remains that as you read this THEY are on a tour bus heading toward a packed show while YOU are reading a message board.

whether they rank amongst the top bands for the musical "elite" or not doesn't really matter.

true.

you've fought the good fight ms. skull, but you won't win it on this board.

take happiness in music YOU love without worry of what anyone thinks.

this even applies to you people that REALLY DO listen to CRAP. :D

and I bet while it was good, Warrant got more women than you or I will ever see in our lifetime. gotta give respect.

i know!!, there are people on here who don't like the Grateful Dead and Todd Rundgren! CRAZY!!!!!, i guess we will have to agree to disagree, which is kool with me.

wow you are so easily worked up.

what is it about what I said that made you feel like I was saying you couldn't have your own opinions of what does and doesn't suck? or is that just general hatred toward Warrant? (lawl)

all I'm saying is the same old "don't hate the player" routine.

*shrug*

I could honestly care less if all y'all were into listening to music made from the screams of torture victims. you're welcome to your opinion and I'm welcome to mine.

WHATEVER the case, PLEASE don't make me have to start listening to Warrant just to be contrary.

you should copywrite that before it's stolen.

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I like them both. FL's live shows these days are much better than SY's. Theyre like a circus.