Sighs. Youre drunk severian go home

You know man, MJ doesn't exactly have the world's best reputation. Not sure if you remember, like, every year between 1993 and his death, but he had kind of a bad run there at the end. It's weird how nobody talks about the multiple child molestation accusations, the weird ass marriages, the WTF child names, the bastardizations of the English language, the thousand masochistic plastic surgeries, the dangling baby... When he died, he just *poof* disappeared off of the world's naughty list, which he dominated for nearly 20 years.

I have nothing against his music, because I'm pretty good at separating the personality from the art itself. But I'm not sure he would have ever redeemed himself in the public eye if he hadn't passed. He was the face of "creepy and weird" in America for so damn long. I just want to throw that out there in case you forgot that it was long considered a major insult to be compared to MJ.

Just saying.

Dude. You're totally pushing me towards leaving this forum. You can enjoy Kanye all you want, BUT YOU DAMN WELL FUCKING KNOW THAT KAYNE HIMSELF WOULDN'T EVEN REMOTELY COMPARE HIMSELF TO THE COSMIC FORCE THAT WAS MICHAEL JACKSON.


Here is my only olive branch. Carry on.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz41BpA0o2Z


I don't know if kanye was Chrismated into my Oriental Orthodox Church when he was marriedwhich is traditionally the custom, BUT his children are baptized into my family and i applaud this. Who knows, maybe they will rub off on him

Uhh... Wow. Calm down. Listen to/read my words, my friend: I already said this was not a value judgment. This isn't about how much I like Kanye. I tried to extend my own olive branch by saying I was just making a comparison between the uniqueness of the artists with respect to their relationship to their peers, not between the artists themselves.

By the way, Kanye HAS compared himself to Michael Jackson. He loves MJ. Childhood hero. Massive influence. And he's compared himself to MJ more times than I can remember.

If you're actually going to get mad about this, then that's your call. I'm not saying the artists are similar, I'm not saying they're equals, and I'm not saying they're alike in any way other than that nobody else is really like either one of them.

I have listened to you bad mouth the fuck out of Kanye over and over again for years now, and I'm fine with it. You're telling me you can't handle me using Kanye's and Michael's names in the same sentence or you'll pack up your toys and leave? Well, then you're a hypocrite and you're expecting me to do what you will not.

I grew up with MJ too. He was the first artist to mean anything to me on an individual level. The first artist I found some identity in. The Beatles I knew through my father. MJ was my thing when I was a kid and the meant the world to me. I cried when he got his ass beat by Joe Pesci in Moonwalker

I may not still be a total devotee (became more of a Prince guy somewhere along the line), but MJ is without question the absolute King of Pop. The only artist that could compare to the Beatles in terms of influence and quality of output and popularity. So CHILL. Or, if you can't tolerate my extremely non-offensive (and, considering how much I love Kanye) quite complementary half-comparison of the two artists, and you expect me to walk on eggshells while you constantly rip on one of my favorite artists, then do whatever you like.

This is absurd. You compared Kanye to Donald Fucking Trump! I responded without losing my shit, because I get that you and I have different tastes, and don't always agree, but I respect you and I respect your intellect and your contribution to the discussions we have here.

I've never been the type to rank *people* but if I had to rank the people on this forum that I enjoy interacting with the most, you'd be right up there with louder, NR, Rob Instigator, Slambang (symbols), and p-green aka all those other names he's had. You're free to express your opinions to me without making me angry, and I enjoy respectfully disagreeing with you. Obviously the respect does not go both ways or you wouldn't be acting like this. Super bummed out man. Super bummed out.

Here's a confession: At the peak of my Kanye fandom, I listened to Off the Wall, Thriller and Bad back to back.. and thought to myself "Michael truly is the greatest. Kanye isn't on his level."

It is a weird comparsion though. Kanye obviously doesn't have MJ's talents as a performer, but sitting through his discography will reveal that he's doubtlessly a genius producer.

Now imagine MJ over a chipmunk soul beat from Kanye. Could've been so good.

I used to love Bad. But honestly that's kind of where I draw the line at this point. I'm way more into Off the Wall and Thriller.

But I never really came back to MJ after the '90s. Doesn't change the fact that his music changed my life and my world view.

You don't have to "confess" that man. Kanye may have compared himself to MJ, but I think he meant it in more of a "hey, I'm like the MJ of rap" kind of way. Because obviously (very very obviously) Michael Jackson had skills as a vocalist and an entertainer that are totally missing from Kanye's entire schtick. I really don't think they're comparable on an artistic level at all. Now, I may prefer to listen to the music of Kanye West at this point in my life (and I do) but MJ had this ability to unite people from all over the world in a way that Kanye has only done in extreme miniature.

So again, I'm not saying the two are alike. I'm just saying they're both singular.

A collaboration between the two would have been absolutely morhetfucking epic, for 100% certain. Probably would have been a massive hit too. Although I can just as easily hear MJ over a more WTT/MBDTF style maximalist track.

Kim looks insanely beautiful in her Virgin Mary getup in that photo. Kanye ... looks... ah... well, can't say full body all white long johns are what I'd wear to my child's baptism, but whatever.

Hmm kinda like The Weeknd's Tell Your Friends? Yeah, that would've been epic. I can totally see it.

Speaking of Tell Your Friends, the album version kills the video/single version. Kanye's vocoder effect thing and Mike Dean's guitar solo gave me the same goosebumps I felt when MBDTF came out.

That is all i am saying. And you didn't even factor in how MJ is the greatest dancer in human history.

Yeah. See, as a performer there's no topping MJ. Prince didn't do that shit. And this may be far fetched, but the way I see it nobody has had a bigger impact on hip-hop culture than Michael Jackson. They just don't make them like that anymore.

See was that so hard?

Aaaack!!

Trying for days to get Future/Ty Dollar Sign tickets for the Purple Reign Tour. The fucking tickets START at $189 each!!!!! Jesus fuck! I did not pay that much to see Tony Bennett at Jones Hall in downtown Houston!!!!!

How does anyone go to live shows anymore when they cost so much? What a fucking rip-off.

I wouldn't pay over $100 to see ANYONE, not even Sonic Youth. No 90 minutes of music is worth that....

Jesus. That is a ridiculous price, especially for a mini tour taking place around the release of a failed mixtape. What the hell?

I've paid $100 or more to see bands in the past. The Rolling Stones for one. But I would never pay that much to see artists on the level of Future or Ty$. That seems like it should be closer to $15-$20 territory honestly. Wow. I would absolutely pay $100+ to see Sonic Youth again, or to see Kanye. But I can't believe anyone would pay that much to see two artists who've released so much of their music free over the internet. That's more expensive than it was to go to the first Pitchfork music festival in Chicago! Fuck that noise, man.

I grew up during the 80's when the punk and independent bands did their own thing and kept prices low at the door. I absolutely HATED going to see Nine Inch Nails and seeing that they were selling shitty fucking t-shirts for $45 (in 1992 dollars!) What a rip-off. No entertainer is worth that bullshit.

For around a decade and a half I would not go to any shows that cost more than $20 for a ticket, and I got to see Mr. Bungle, Fugazi, Dinosaur, Sonic Youth, Mudhoney, Nirvana, RHCP, Skinny Puppy, MInistry, etc., not to mention countless smaller acts.

The only reason I deigned to pay $100 a ticket to go see an octogenarian was because my wife has been a lifelong Tony Bennett fan and she had never seen him perform...

I never hear Kanye played on "black" radio, whether it be the "classic hip hop" station or the 3 that play current hip hop here in Houston. I never heard Public Enemy on black radio either, until the oldies hip hop market started, and then I hear them on late saturdays when the DJ is feeling adventurous.

Yeah. $20 for a ticket is fair for a good band. I've seen plenty of bands for that amount or less. Nirvana, SY, Dino here too. But I've usually paid around $30-35. One of the last times I saw SY the ticket was $35. But I've only spent $100 or more a handful of times, usually at festivals for multiple day passes.

I don't listen to to radio much, but I've heard "Stronger" a ton of times. "Christmas in Harlem" is another one that get a ton of play during the holidays. That's a great song by the way, overlooked in the Kanye canon because it's a non-album track, but a genuinely great song.

I think a lot it has to do with the fact that most of Kanye's music since 2010 has been extremely non radio friendly. I heard "Bound 2" a few times, but other than that I'm not sure what would get a lot of air play from the last few albums. Though the 808's singles did do very well... better perhaps than the album did.

Hey man, listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cLZRqqznU

!!!

(Rob and SuchFriends, don't sleep too.. NR and Sev already like the dude but y'all should watch it anyway because it's an amazing showcase of TALENT and versatility.. AND this performance fucking rocked!)

Considering that touring is the primary source of income i confess to feeling guilty to still be paying 90s prices for shows. Last show i went to was $10, several were under $20 and a few were just $5!!!

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Yes I've noticed this as well. I used to live near several younger black folks and they would hang out with me and talk about rap, and they liked Kanye, but were more into whatever was hot right then.

Older black folks, from my experience, are polarized by Kanye. For good reason, many of them feel like he doesn't set a great example for black people. At the same time, plenty of people feel the opposite. Also, I've found, most people over a certain age don't listen to hip-hop. :( so I'm a little stunted developmentally, apparently.

Kanye had a Christmas song? I had no idea.

Dude! What? Seriously? You've never heard "Christmas in Harlem?" Wow!!!

Waste no time, my friend. Check that shot out now. It may be a little late for Christmas, but this song has soul enough for the whole year!

Kanye West (feat. Cyhi Da Prince & Teyana Taylor) -"Christmas in Harlem"

(Sorry- there's a Glade ad at the beginning... get through it though, song's worth it)

That's legitimately awesome man.
When I was still wasting a huge chunk of my life working for a shitty marketing and accounting firm, the one great thing about my job was that I was allowed to sit down at my desk, plug in my headphones, and listen to whatever the fuck I wanted to listen to, often for the entire 8-12 hours I was there. That's where I fell in love with Kanye.

I hated that job and everyone I worked with, but the music made it bearable.

TDE (which I now know means Top Dawg Entertainment, thanks to louder) apparently teased that there may be a new Kendrick album in 2016. Yowza!

YES!!! Hell yeah.

:). He's been working with mainstream producers. Watch his next album being the opposite of TPAB. Reinventing himself on every album.

Man it's been an AMAZING fucking year for music. I got info on another major artist (whose name I can't reveal yet) dropping soon. And his album might be the best of them all.

What's this about man? Are you sworn to secrecy or something?

Wish he would get into production himself. But I'm glad to hear there will be a change sonically on the next album. TPAB was good, but nobody should try something like that twice. In fact I'd love for him to do a (you guessed it) Kanye produced project! I mean, what the hell could be better than that?

Since I stopped following Kanye on Twitter, I've been visiting Pitchfork on an almost daily basis for my Yeezy fix. (Spoiler: pitchfork LOVES Kanye West and will report on ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING he says or does... did you guys know that?)

Anyway, apparently Kanye's involved in the 2 Chainz / Lil Wayne (sigh) collaboration, and I guess something from the project is dropping on Friday.

http://m.pitchfork.com/news/63902-ka...opping-friday/

You know what's sad? While reading this, I was like "oh, okay! Cool..." and then I saw the words "Lil Wayne" and I was like, "awww, man."

:(

I was listening to "Gone" from LR so much last week (both the studio version with Cam'ron and the Late Orchestration version with just Cons) that I got all nostalgic and dug out my copy of Cam's Purple Haze, and bought consequence's Don't Quit Your Day Job! Both albums are quite good, if a little (ok, a lot, especially in Cam's case) heavy on the skits.

I'm so glad skits are over. They made rap albums so hard to listen to and take seriously as *albums* because you were always having to skip forward. At the best of times they were funny ONCE, or in the case of "Method Man" they turned into something more than a skit and ended up helping to define the artist. But goddamn, if Late Reg. didn't have skits on it, that album would be a solid 10.

I love Purple Haze that the skits don't even bother me. It's that good.

Hell yeah man. I forgot how much I love "Get Down"... Gotta be one of my favorite rap anthems. Haven't heard it in ages but it's a "Hard Knock Life" level song in my book.