Sonic Youth Gossip

Sonic Youth Gossip (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/index.php)
-   Non-Sonics (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/forumdisplay.php?f=5)
-   -   Is Trump really a serious contender for the Republican nomination? (http://www.sonicyouth.com/gossip/showthread.php?t=113183)

Bytor Peltor 10.05.2020 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
Obama knew!


Tom Fitton tweet

 

Bytor Peltor 10.05.2020 08:20 PM

President Donald Trump tweet
“Will be back on the Campaign Trail soon!!! The Fake News only shows the Fake Polls.“

 

h8kurdt 10.06.2020 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bytor Peltor
CRICKETS



 


Love that he's clearly just writing his name on a blank piece of paper there.

sy2004 10.06.2020 05:09 AM

Trump positive for Covid-19 is the worst fake news ever.
Do you really believe this major election stunt?

!@#$%! 10.06.2020 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sy2004
Trump positive for Covid-19 is the worst fake news ever.
Do you really believe this major election stunt?

i believe nothing that comes out of that turd’s mouth

everything he does is a con

Antagon 10.06.2020 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
i believe nothing that comes out of that turd’s mouth

everything he does is a con





Fair enough. But a manchild repeatedly on tape disregarding safety measures, mingling with large crowds of people without a mask on contracting Covid - I think that much I can believe.

!@#$%! 10.06.2020 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antagon
Fair enough. But a manchild repeatedly on tape disregarding safety measures, mingling with large crowds of people without a mask on contracting Covid - I think that much I can believe.

yeah, he’s basically schrödinger’s turd: infected and not infected at the same time, until we flush the toilet and then it becomes clear.

Bytor Peltor 10.07.2020 04:37 PM

Paul Sperry tweet
“BREAKING: Joe Biden is the subject of an active federal criminal investigation into his role in the counterintelligence investigation directed @ the Trump campaign during the 2016 election, incl the former vice president's activities in Ukraine.Ukrainian witnesses are cooperating”


BREAKING: Joe Biden is the Subject of Federal Criminal Investigation Into His Role in Spygate and Activities in Ukraine

“Joe Biden was in a January 5, 2017 secret Oval Office meeting discussing General Flynn’s phone calls with Russian Ambassador Kislyak with Obama, Yates, Comey, Rice and Brennan and 7 days later he sought to unmask Flynn.”

!@#$%! 10.07.2020 04:45 PM

Opinions
I couldn’t sit idly and watch people die from Trump’s chaotic, politicized pandemic response, so I resigned

Opinion by Rick Bright
Oct. 7, 2020 at 3:56 p.m. EDT
Add to list
Rick Bright, an immunologist and vaccine researcher, is the former director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.

Of all the tools required for an effective U.S. response to the coronavirus pandemic, one that is sorely missing is the truth. Public health guidance on the pandemic response, drafted by career scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, has been repeatedly overruled by political staff appointed by the Trump administration. Career scientists throughout the Department of Health and Human Services hesitate to push back when science runs counter to the administration’s unrealistically optimistic pronouncements.

Public health and safety have been jeopardized by the administration’s hostility to the truth and by its politicization of the pandemic response, undoubtedly leading to tens of thousands of preventable deaths. For that reason, and because the administration has in effect barred me from working to fight the pandemic, I resigned on Tuesday from the National Institutes of Health.

Until April, I had for almost four years been director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority. When I strongly objected this past spring to the Trump administration’s insistence that BARDA support widespread access to chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, two potentially dangerous drugs recklessly promoted by President Trump as a covid-19 cure, I was shunted to the NIH and assigned a more limited role in the pandemic response.

My task at the NIH was to help launch a program expanding national covid-19 testing capacity. The program is well underway, and should reach nearly 1 million daily tests by the end of the year. Since early September, though, I was given no work; my services apparently were no longer needed.

I fear the benefits of dramatically improved testing capacity will be wasted unless it is a part of a coordinated national testing strategy. My recommendations to support a national plan were met with a tepid response. In an administration that suffers from widespread internal chaos, such coordination may be impossible — especially when the White House has seemed determined to slow down testing and not test people who might have asymptomatic infections.

From the beginning of the coronavirus outbreak, the administration’s failure to respond with a coordinated strategy only heightened the danger. Now the nation, and the world, are in the worst public health crisis in over a century. More than 1 million people worldwide have died from the pandemic; more than 211,000 Americans are dead. More than half of the states in this country are reporting rising covid-19 cases. Nine months into the pandemic, the United States continues to grapple with failed White House leadership. Instead, we get the recent spectacle of the president exploiting his own illness for political purposes and advising the nation, “Don’t be afraid of Covid.” Ironically, he was only able to leave the hospital after receiving two treatments that I had pushed for in January.

Meanwhile, there is still no coordinated national strategy to end the pandemic. Federal agencies, staffed with some of the best scientists in the world, continue to be politicized, manipulated and ignored.

The country is flying blind into what could be the darkest winter in modern history. Undoubtedly, millions more Americans will be infected with the coronavirus and influenza; many thousands will die. Now, more than ever before, the public needs to be able to rely on honest, non-politicized and unmanipulated public health guidance from career scientists.


- —

summarized for beauregards: “trump ignored scientists” :D

The Soup Nazi 10.07.2020 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
I fear the benefits of dramatically improved testing capacity will be wasted unless it is a part of a coordinated national testing strategy. My recommendations to support a national plan were met with a tepid response.


He doesn't need to "fear it", really; the "improved testing capacity", if it becomes a thing at all, will most certainly be swallowed by the sad reality that is the Dotard's administration's response to the pandemic/pandemonium. And what the fuck are they "administrating" anyway - the USA's federalism's inherent chaos? Shit, even Brexiteer par excellence Boris is now crying like a little bitch for a globally coordinated response, after he and Farage were the maximum bearers of the campaign to leave that oh-so-evil multinational EU. PALLbearers is what they are now.

!@#$%! 10.07.2020 08:28 PM

man what a pointless smarmy bloviating fuck is this this oence talking about absolutely nothing with that ridiculous tone of his like what he’s saying is actually something

Antagon 10.07.2020 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
man what a pointless smarmy bloviating fuck is this this oence talking about absolutely nothing with that ridiculous tone of his like what he’s saying is actually something

He looks constipated while he's offering nothing but weak memorized talking points and platitudes.

The Soup Nazi 10.07.2020 09:19 PM

I'm not watching it (technical issues, long story), but I hope Harris is wiping the floor with him (and cleans out any remains of his exposure to Covid-19 in the process, just to be sure). Who better than a good, honorable former prosecutor who believes in science (as if science were something one "believes" in - goddamn creationists have fucked up our language for Christ on a stick's sake... Science IS THERE, it's based on FACTS) to demolish an assclown who thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old?

!@#$%! 10.07.2020 09:20 PM

there’s a big fucking fly feasting on the undead scalp of that pence ghoul

The Soup Nazi 10.07.2020 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
there’s a big fucking fly feasting on the undead scalp of that pence ghoul


 


 

Antagon 10.07.2020 10:06 PM

Harris had a solid performance. She was at her best when she was in full prosecutor-mode. There were even a few effective visual cues - at one point towards the beginning, she'd throw a glance directly at her opponent whilst confronting him about the Trump admin's failures. Later on, she was adressing the people directly by looking straight into the camera. Pence seemed uncomfortable and smarmy and mostly tried to make his talking points appear more substantive by constantly babbling on, overstepping his time limits time and time again.

Savage Clone 10.07.2020 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
there’s a big fucking fly feasting on the undead scalp of that pence ghoul


At least now he’s got proof that he has one black friend

The Soup Nazi 10.07.2020 10:37 PM

I must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Savage Clone again.

The Soup Nazi 10.08.2020 12:24 AM

So the lil' fly made some headlines (for proving Pence is a piece of shit, I guess) and even prompted Biden to fire this tweet:

 


That is truly brilliant - makes me think Joe hired the same guy who wrote his former boss' "Bucket!" joke. :D

The Soup Nazi 10.08.2020 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
I'm not watching it (technical issues, long story), but I hope Harris is wiping the floor with him [...]


Hey, The Guardian stole my line...

Kamala Harris walked a tightrope, but still wiped the floor with Mike Pence

h8kurdt 10.08.2020 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savage Clone
At least now he’s got proof that he has one black friend


Brilliant. Post of the year.

Savage Clone 10.08.2020 05:28 AM

I lifted the line from a friend’s Instagram, so I can’t take credit but it was definitely worth spreading around.

h8kurdt 10.08.2020 07:47 AM

Trump's refusing to do the second debate. Puuuusssyyyyyy

Bytor Peltor 10.08.2020 08:57 AM

 

!@#$%! 10.08.2020 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h8kurdt
Trump's refusing to do the second debate. Puuuusssyyyyyy

the world already knows he’s deranged so what does it matter

tw2113 10.08.2020 12:27 PM

I wonder if it's because of the virtual detail, or he doesn't want a second debate period.

LifeDistortion 10.08.2020 12:50 PM

He needs a platform he can control, something his audience can drink up like spiked Kool-Aid.

!@#$%! 10.08.2020 01:29 PM

so, some yahoos were arrested by the fbi for plotting to kidnap the governor of michigan. i wonder how soon till trump calls them “great people” and issues a pardon, like he does with fraudsters and war criminals.

The Soup Nazi 10.08.2020 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by !@#$%!
so, some yahoos were arrested by the fbi for plotting to kidnap the governor of michigan. i wonder how soon till trump calls them “great people” and issues a pardon, like he does with fraudsters and war criminals.


Trump complained Gretchen Whitmer did not "thank him" (because basically we all should be in awe of him and thank him for existing, you follow). Imagine what's gonna happen in November as the mail-in ballots start showing Biden is winning the presidency and Apocalypse Fuckface begins tweeting to the MAGAs to take over the state capitols. With GUNS and shit.

The Soup Nazi 10.09.2020 12:37 AM

From Rolling Stone:

New Bonkers Interview: Trump Says He Beat Biden in Second Debate, an Event That Has Yet to Happen

The Soup Nazi 10.09.2020 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Soup Nazi
Shit, even Brexiteer par excellence Boris is now crying like a little bitch for a globally coordinated response


Sheer coincidence from Zakaria's Global Briefing:

Quote:

Should the UK Be Rooting for Biden?

Despite President Trump’s support for Brexit—and the notion that a US free-trade deal is key to Britain’s post-EU future—the Financial Times’ Gideon Rachman writes that Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s UK might be better off with the internationalist Joe Biden in the White House.

Under a reelected Trump, the US would be less tolerant of disagreements over issues like “Iran, Israel, China, and climate change” than it would be under Biden, Rachman writes, and it could take a “coercive” approach. “Those who imagine that Mr Trump would never deploy these tactics against the British are kidding themselves. This is an administration that has not hesitated to threaten tariffs or sanctions on both Japan and Germany—which are, in strategic terms, more important allies than the UK.” Plus, that trade deal may be hard to come by, as issues like discrepant food standards have arisen.

“Radicalised by victory, the US president and his acolytes would launch a new assault on the liberal world order,” Rachman writes. “Those Tories who complained that Brussels was turning the UK into a ‘vassal state’ would discover a more pressing threat—from Washington.”

h8kurdt 10.09.2020 03:08 AM


Oof. Sure Bytor and co will call him out on that and refer to him as sleepy Trump (Nono that's not when you trump whilst in bed asleep and are woken up by the smell) from now on.

demonrail666 10.09.2020 07:53 AM

What Rolling Stone reports him saying:

“But I beat him in the first debate. At the second debate, we had a never-Trumper as a host, but that’s OK because I beat [Biden] in the second debate also.”

What he actually said, according to the official transcript:

"But I beat him in the first debate. At the second debate we have a never Trumper as a host, but that's OK because I'd beat him in the second debate also."

You can hear for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Po84VhQjUA

01:14-01:24

"I", "I'd". You decide, but sounded pretty clear to me.

_slavo_ 10.09.2020 08:48 AM

It's funny how Trump campaign representative issues a statement how Trump "won the debate"


Does "screamed louder than opponent and interrupted everyone" count as "won the debate" now?

The Soup Nazi 10.09.2020 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
What Rolling Stone reports him saying:

“But I beat him in the first debate. At the second debate, we had a never-Trumper as a host, but that’s OK because I beat [Biden] in the second debate also.”

What he actually said, according to the official transcript:

"But I beat him in the first debate. At the second debate we have a never Trumper as a host, but that's OK because I'd beat him in the second debate also."

You can hear for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Po84VhQjUA

01:14-01:24

"I", "I'd". You decide, but sounded pretty clear to me.


If Rolling Stone fucked up, it's highly lamentable because (in addition to being weak reporting) it only provides fodder for the "SEE, FAKE NEWS!!! TRIPLE EXCLAMATION POINT!!!" crowd.

Far more lamentable, however, is that you want this waste of oxygen to remain in power.

The Soup Nazi 10.09.2020 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
It's funny how Trump campaign representative issues a statement how Trump "won the debate"

Does "screamed louder than opponent and interrupted everyone" count as "won the debate" now?


A pretty "old" column (October 1) related to your post (it's like dog years at warp speed with this shit):

Quote:

I thought Trump was winning the debate. But then I turned off the sound.

If you want to understand who won this week’s presidential debate, keep in mind a moment from our political past that I call “Stahl’s Epiphany.” During the 1984 presidential campaign, CBS reporter Lesley Stahl put together a tough, unsparing critique of Ronald Reagan, focusing on the disjuncture between Reagan’s image and his policies. There were clips of Reagan celebrating Paralympic athletes and inaugurating a new retirement home, while Stahl revealed that his administration had actually tried to cut funding for disabled people and subsidized housing.

It aired as an almost six-minute segment on the evening news, and Stahl was sure that her White House contacts would be livid. Instead, she got a call from one of Reagan’s aides, Richard Darman, saying, “What a great story! We loved it.” When Stahl expressed puzzlement, Darman explained, “Nobody heard what you said. … You guys in Televisionland haven’t figured it out, have you? When the pictures are powerful and emotional, they override if not completely drown out the sound. Lesley, I mean it, nobody heard you.”

At first, as I was watching the Tuesday debate, I thought President Trump was winning. He was in command, making forceful jabs, controlling the agenda and putting Democratic nominee Joe Biden on the defensive. Biden was rarely able to make his points clearly without interruption. But then I thought of “Stahl’s Epiphany” and re-watched parts of the debate with the sound turned off. It was utterly revealing. Shorn of the words, the images revealed a stark contrast. On the one hand, you saw an elderly gentleman, somewhat faded, occasionally stumbling but showing a big smile and a warm heart. On the other side, you saw a fourth-grade bully, a mean-spirited, snarling man, emotionally out of control. He scowled and smirked his way through the entire 90-minute debate.

I had always thought that “Stahl’s Epiphany” was a sign of television’s weakness. But this debate made me recognize its strength. Cutting through all the noise, it gave the American people a window into the characters of the two men. It highlighted Biden’s greatest strengths and Trump’s gigantic weakness. Forget policies for a moment. Trump is a man of bad character, who has abused people, institutions and norms, always to help himself. And that’s exactly what the images from the debate conveyed.

The new revelations from his tax returns only confirm what we have always known about him. As Drew Harwell reported in 2016, the one time Trump ran a publicly traded company, he fleeced the shareholders for his own benefit. He loaded almost $2 billion of personal debts on the company and paid himself tens of millions of dollars, while bankrupting the company and wiping out the shareholders. It might all be legal, but very few CEOs of public companies behave like this. In a complex, civilized society, we cannot treat every conceivable unethical or unsavory action as illegal. Above and beyond laws, there have to be norms.

Democracy cannot function without some adherence to norms. You cannot hold presidential debates if one of the two sides simply refuses to abide by the rules, interrupting constantly, heckling his opponent and contesting everything he says. Trump also does something novel and far more damaging. He lies in a way that no previous candidate has ever done, utterly unconstrained by facts. Republicans have recognized that repealing Obamacare with nothing to replace it is politically unpopular, yet they cannot agree on an alternative. For Trump this poses no problem. He simply asserts that he has an alternative.

Trump has broken so many norms that it is difficult to tabulate them. Far from accepting the opposing party as legitimate, he called for his opponent in the 2016 race to be jailed. He has refused to separate himself from his business interests and, while president, has allowed foreign governments to shower him and his family with gifts in the form of trademarks and hotel revenue. White House officials have openly promoted the business interests of Trump and his family. He has used his power to reward and threaten companies — and, most worrying, to intimidate the free press. At the direction of the White House, several federal agencies have been working to strike at Twitter after the platform’s decision to flag some of his most egregiously false tweets. The use of the awesome powers of the state against political opponents is one of the most troubling signs of authoritarianism.

By every indication, Trump is well behind in this election. We are watching him under pressure. And if things continue to look bleak for him, he will get more desperate, more unethical and more vicious. Let’s hope American democracy can withstand the assault.

Bytor Peltor 10.10.2020 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
What Rolling Stone reports him saying:

“But I beat him in the first debate. At the second debate, we had a never-Trumper as a host, but that’s OK because I beat [Biden] in the second debate also.”

What he actually said, according to the official transcript:

"But I beat him in the first debate. At the second debate we have a never Trumper as a host, but that's OK because I'd beat him in the second debate also."

You can hear for yourself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Po84VhQjUA

01:14-01:24

"I", "I'd". You decide, but sounded pretty clear to me.


Such a simple and reasonable explanation!




Biden the coward, hiding behind a virus (allowing the media to run his campaign), has been a segregationist for much of his life......and Kamala Harris believes the women who have come forward alleging that former Vice President Joe Biden touched them without their consent.

This past Thursday, the same Joe Biden stated: ”They'll know my opinion on court-packing when the election is over.”

With that statement, how can we trust him to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when he won’t even tell us how he will treat one of our three branches of government, and the checks and balances within it? His statement is reminiscent of Vomit Pelosi’s comment on the Obama Care act, ‘We have to pass the bill before you can see what's in it.’

Speaking of Vomit......her comments about the 25th amendment (doubt she has even read it).

Mrs. Pelosi wants to distance this 25th Amendment ploy from her party’s years-long effort to overturn the 2016 election results, but even the press corps was skeptical. Mrs. Pelosi said later in her presentation that “any of us who is under medication of that seriousness”—referring to President Trump’s coronavirus treatment—“is in an altered state.”

What does Section 4 of the 25th Amendment say, “Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide,” Let’s break it down, the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments are not going to move forward on this, so she needs another “body,” the problem is,

THERE IS NO OTHER BODY, because there is no law that created one!

So let’s look at what a Biden/Harris ticket wants to do.

They want to change the senate rules to no longer require 60 votes to take up bills. 60 votes are required to begin debate; this is called the filibuster. Do away with the filibuster, it will take just 50 votes plus the V.P to break a tie. Why is this so important?

They want to pack the supreme court, repeal the tax cuts, raise new taxes on business, wealth, savings, retirement (401ks IRAs and do away with the tax advantage they have)

The public option, this would take them a couple of years, but it would be a complete takeover and be a government healthcare system with no choice. Free college, taxpayer funded abortion right up to and after birth.
Harris was a co-sponsor of the 2019 Women’s Health Protection Act (WHPA), which prohibits state laws banning post-viability abortions that do not make exceptions if a woman’s health and life are at risk.

Abolish ICE and re-imagine police departments. Provide free health care for illegal aliens. They want to get rid of the “Right to work.”

What is it?

It affirms the right of every American to work for a living without being compelled to belong to a union. Compulsory unionism in any form–“union shop,” “closed shop,” or “agency shop” –is a contradiction of the Right To Work principle and the fundamental human right of freedom that the principle represents. It also prevents federal unions to negotiate for federal wages.

A Democrat, FDR opposed public employee (government) unions.

They want to get rid of both natural gas and oil fueled power plants. They want to take 2 million homes out of about 139 million homes and retrofit for clean air, who’s homes do you think they will choose?

They want Net0 agriculture, telling a farmer he can’t use his tractor because it puts out carbon emissions, unless of course its an electric tractor. They want to make states out of Washington D.C. and Puerto Rico. They can do all this with just 50 votes if they win back the senate and the presidency.

Don’t believe me: Democratic Task Forces Deliver Biden A Blueprint For A Progressive Presidency
(check out link of 110 page document of all they have agreed to)

Still don’t believe: 2020 Democratic Party Platform
(The proposed platform was considered by the 2020 Platform Committee at its meeting on July 27, 2020, and is recommended for approval by the delegates)

demonrail666 10.10.2020 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _slavo_
It's funny how Trump campaign representative issues a statement how Trump "won the debate"


It's enough to make you wonder if campaigners might be biased towards the candidate they're campaigning for. :eek:

!@#$%! 10.10.2020 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demonrail666
It's enough to make you wonder if campaigners might be biased towards the candidate they're campaigning for. :eek:

but why are you now a trump campaigner man?

i understood when you though trump was gonna win—ok, that’s a prediction. but from that to you wanting him to win?

i understood your tory vote given the claim that “europe rules by austerity” (up to that point, they had).

but i have no idea why you would want trump to win.

demonrail666 10.10.2020 11:15 AM

You ask that like I'm some kind of political anomaly. There are literally millions of people who would've once considered themselves 'of the left' but ditched so-called Leftist/Liberal parties, whether it's for Trump, Boris, whoever, simply because they find them more in tune with their sense of reality than most of those who currently advertise themselves as Leftists or Liberals. That's less an endorsement of Trump, et al, and more a question about how Left/Liberal politics has managed to alienate so many of what was once its base.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:55 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
All content ©2006 Sonic Youth