irish stayed catrholic when the english started the anglican church, and were persecuted and killed for it, then, then engladn became catholic again,. they persecuted the protestants and killed them and raped their women, then, when england became protestant again, they started back in on killing and torturing the "Papists" as they called them.

I don't know?, i have no personal grievances with the Irish (which i do with the scottish and the french). I have just grown up generally disliking them.

I think Ireland has its own problems without England getting involved with any of it. England hasn't been involved with it for a long time.

Kinda like the way Americans think the Canadians are snobs and the Mexicans are dirty bean-eating slobs I guess.

yeah that's right.


what a bunch of assholes.

I don't think Americans actually dislike Canadians. We just make fun of them because they're irrelevant.

Emmah, where are you now?

Bullshit.

to americans there seems to be this huge attractiveness of calling yourself Irish, or being proud to be 1/16th Irish. Where as here, being Irish is incredibly unattractive, at least amongst the people i have mixed with my entire life. A friend of mine is half Irish and half English, and she completely denies being at all Irish.

In a chair haha.

So my mom should also be bring me back that Nikon SLR I talked about ages ago. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

my great grandmother has still got her accent. i have a teensy bit of norwegian (previously i thought german but i broke out the books) heritage on one side of my family and little else.

and i mean, come on. you don't need record books to figure it out. just look at me.

Yeah, that's true. Unless you're Denis Leary.

I'm 1/4 Irish, and it's definitely something that people admire (well not admire, but "like" I guess) in America. Not sure why, though. Ireland is romanticized here, I think. Pubs and accents and greenery and Ulysses and whatnot.

Alcohol tolerance...

I am all for being proud of where you come from, its not something i have ever been able to express as it is quite widely seen as racist for a white english person to say that they are proud to be english.

But i don't embrace it, i am 1/4 Maltese and 1/4 Canadian, but i don't ever talk about it as it doesn't seem to matter or relate to anything i do in my life.

i've been there twice and it's a really, really lovely place. i want to go back actually.

people of any heritage in america are usually proud of it, irish or not. though it isn't seen as racist there.

Okay, I get this now.

Yeah I dunno, I don't make fun of anyone for being from a specific place in the world. That's a tad ridiculous if you ask me.

We should all be proud of our heritage, and we should all judge people for who they are as a person and not where they're from.

Maybe it's just because of America's cultural climate. Interesting cultures are simply admired for being interesting. No one is considered "American" by decent, unless you're a Native American, so everyone discusses their heritage. It's a bigger deal, I suppose.

Hahaha Emmah, I thought you were like giving me shit in your first response about the chair and Nikon and stuff. like, a completely irrelevant dadaist respose. I laughed hard at it.

america is not the mother country. no one's heritage is "american"


edit acousticrock already said it

Unless you're Canadian. :)

Wow, strange. I have had people (Americans) tell me that they are Irish before, and then expect me to be all like "oh wow, how exotic" or something, ha ha ha ha. Maybe it is exotic for Americans, it certainly gives you more history than just being plain old American. But i always just think "You are an american, you were born in America, you were raised in America and educated in America, you are an American, deal with it"

that's actually true. where you're lacking your own culture, you're trying to stick to someone else's one.