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Everyneurotic 08.08.2006 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I'm not real familiar with noise. I do have some Double Leopards and NNCK, and the recent Liars thing (which I suspect is not really noise), and I plan to get some Wolf Eyes. Are these groups noise?


double leopards=drone
no-neck blues band=subterranean free jam
liars (dnd)=polyrhythmic chant indie folk
wolf eyes=yeah, that's noise

Everyneurotic 08.08.2006 11:04 AM

fe-mail featuring lasse marhaug - all men are pigs

 

alyasa 08.08.2006 11:24 AM

I read in an interview on the internet that Thom Yorke appreciates Liars.

gmku 08.08.2006 11:25 AM

Then Thom Yorke is all right in my book.

Everyneurotic 08.08.2006 11:26 AM

bastard noise - the symptoms of a failing equilibrium: bastard noise hails the finnish sounds masters

dazedcola 08.08.2006 11:31 AM

Lightning Bolt- Hypermagic Mountain
Arab on Radar- Yawah or the Highway
Comets on Fire- Blue Cathedral
Flipper- Generic Flipper ( i just satrted to notice the incrediible noise in the background)
Velvet Underground- White Light/ White Heat
My Bloody Valentine- Loveless

speaking of musicians liking new band i was reading how lou reed was impressed with black dice the last time he was in new york.

Everyneurotic 08.08.2006 11:32 AM

comets on fire are not noise at all!

if they were, then pink fairies and hawkwind would be harsh noise pioneers.

i'm getting kinda sick of people thinking comets on fire are unique and groundbreaking. YES they are very good at what they do, YES a band like that is needed today. NO they are not original, they are rehashing the psych garage punk of the seventies, more so in avatar than on their previews albums.

porkmarras 08.08.2006 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dazedcola

speaking of musicians liking new band i was reading how lou reed was impressed with black dice the last time he was in new york.

that's better

Toilet & Bowels 08.08.2006 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dazedcola
Lightning Bolt- Hypermagic Mountain
Arab on Radar- Yawah or the Highway
Comets on Fire- Blue Cathedral
Flipper- Generic Flipper ( i just satrted to notice the incrediible noise in the background)
Velvet Underground- White Light/ White Heat
My Bloody Valentine- Loveless


goddamnit! (and by goddamnit i mean none of this stuff is noise)

porkmarras 08.08.2006 11:38 AM

Saturnine,you are being rather annoying today.

dazedcola 08.08.2006 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Everyneurotic
comets on fire are not noise at all!

i'm getting kinda sick of people thinking comets on fire are unique and groundbreaking. YES they are very good at what they do, YES a band like that is needed today. NO they are not original, they are rehashing the psych garage punk of the seventies, more so in avatar than on their previews albums.


they only seem that way if you've only listened to one or two of their songs. The band uses this instrument called the echoplex that just creates pure white distortion. COF use the instrument alot in the music they even have sections of song where its just a distortion solo playing with the frequency of it. Check out "whiskey river" to see what i mean

golden child 08.08.2006 11:47 AM

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Lightning Bolt- Hypermagic Mountain
Arab on Radar- Yawah or the Highway
Comets on Fire- Blue Cathedral
Flipper- Generic Flipper ( i just satrted to notice the incrediible noise in the background)
Velvet Underground- White Light/ White Heat
My Bloody Valentine- Loveless

none are noise.
refer back to my previous post of why this thread sucks.

gmku 08.08.2006 11:47 AM

some of my current favorite noise albums (some may have been cited already)

White Light/White Noise
Loveless
Hypermagic Mountain
A Hole is Not True (Double Leopards)
NNCK Qvaris

porkmarras 08.08.2006 11:52 AM

Noise music is music that uses sounds regarded as unpleasant or painful under normal circumstances. "Noise" music is regarded by some as a contradiction in terms, because "noise" is generally defined as unwanted and undesigned or unintentional sound and music as the opposite (see Definition of music). However, "noise" in a more general sense refers to any extremely loud or discordant sound, and that these sounds are often the basis of noise music. Secondly, as famous noise musician Masami Akita said, "If by noise you mean uncomfortable sound, then pop music is noise to me." Noise music is not necessarily "noise" to the listeners, although it is certainly "noisy" in the more general sense of the term. Practitioners themselves do not generally refer to it as "Noise Music"; they just call it "Noise", tacking the term "music" on the end is an explanatory device only necessary among outsiders.

porkmarras 08.08.2006 11:55 AM

christian marclay/elliot sharp-high Noon(Noise!)

alyasa 08.08.2006 11:55 AM

so far? burned mind(wolf eyes) and live at cbgb's NYC 1998(merzbow and alec empire)

Trasher02 08.08.2006 11:57 AM

I gotta write some of these bands down, I've never heared of some of these!

If you want you can always PM me with more noise recommendations.

I haven't heared much noise albums but i did enjoy listening to the black dice album.

 

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:03 PM

Otomo yoshihide-turntable solo(twisted live Noise!!!)

gmku 08.08.2006 12:03 PM

Oh, yeah, I also have Black Dice's Beaches and Canyons.

gmku 08.08.2006 12:04 PM

VU & Nico. It sure gets noisy!

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Otomo yoshihide-turntable solo(twisted live Noise!!!)

Or an unholy marriage of turntablism and noise if you like.

Toilet & Bowels 08.08.2006 12:17 PM

for those unsure of what noise is have a listen to these samples from a merzbow record, to get an idea of what we are and more importantly, are not talking about:

http://www.importantrecords.com/sounds/minazo1_2.mp3
http://www.importantrecords.com/sounds/minazo1_3.mp3

and by this i mean merzbow is noise.

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
VU & Nico. It sure gets noisy!

But CHRIST!no no no,that's like missing the whole point of the thread and honestly if you'd like to understand that specific album my dearest gmku,you should go back and do some research on mid to late sixties minimalism and avantgarde on the east coast.Christ!!!

Moshe 08.08.2006 12:22 PM

Does anybody has the wire's top 10 noise albums of all times? That issue had Jeff tweedy on it's cover. I can only remember Borbetomagus being on that list, can't recall the others...

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:22 PM

La Monte Young's theatre of eternal music will reveal more secrets on that particular album than damn fucking noise.

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshe
Does anybody has the wire's top 10 noise albums of all times? That issue had Jeff tweedy on it's cover. I can only remember Borbetomagus being on that list, can't recall the others...

i have it at home.

gmku 08.08.2006 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
But CHRIST!no no no,that's like missing the whole point of the thread and honestly if you'd like to understand that specific album my dearest gmku,you should go back and do some research on mid to late sixties minimalism and avangarde on the east coast.Christ!!!


I tried to go back and do some research on mid-1960s to late 1960s minimalism and avantgarde east coast. But it was too hard.

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:35 PM

Hang on i'll send you a good link for that

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:35 PM


 

Not strictly noise but as whole it fits into the genre.

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:38 PM

Theater of Eternal Music

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For the 80s group, see Dream Syndicate.
The Theater of Eternal Music, also known as The Dream Syndicate, was a mid-sixties musical group focusing on experimental and drone music, featuring La Monte Young, John Cale, and Angus MacLise. In 1964 the ensemble contained Young and Marian Zazeela, voices; Tony Conrad and John Cale, strings; and sometimes Terry Riley, voice. Since 1966 Young has realized the "Dream Theater" despite interruptions due to a lack of funding for such an exceptional, extensive, and expensive project.
Most of these pieces have long titles, such as The Tortoise Recalling the Drone of the Holy Numbers as they were Revealed in the Dreams of the Whirlwind and the Obsidian Gong, Illuminated by the Sawmill, the Green Sawtooth Ocelot and the High-Tension Line Stepdown Transformer. Likewise, his works are often of extreme length, many pieces having no beginning and no end, existing before and after a particular performance. Young and Zazeela are also on an extended sleep schedule, their "days" being longer than twenty-four hours.
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gmku 08.08.2006 12:38 PM

So you get to say something fits into the genre but I don't?

Hmmpphh...

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:39 PM

The Dream Syndicate
By: Callum Zeff
Email: callum@happydrifter.com</SPAN>

Artist: The Dream Syndicate
Album: Inside The Dream Syndicate Volume 1: Day Of Niagra (1965)

I have never understood how truly evil pop music is until now. How mind-numbing, how tedious, how utterly devoid of emotion it is. It even destroyed my sister: "I don’t understand how you can just sit there for hours and LISTEN to music!" She couldn’t understand what purpose music could serve other than a background noise to another activity. But I don’t feel angry. I don’t feel anything. Now I understand what Iggy Pop was going on about when he said that when he’s in the grips of punk-rock "I don’t feel pleasure and I don’t feel pain, and I don’t want to either."

Back in the 60s, The Dream Syndicate (featuring that John Cale of Velvet Underground fame) would start a long tradition, going to this day with groups like the Vibracathedral Orchestra, of instrumental, improvisational groups making drone music. Good drone is more powerful than any huge orchestra piece, more emotional than any ballad, and more f*cking terrifying than any gothic nonsense. It does something to you, affects you with pure, formless, emotion. No, not even emotion. More basic than emotion.

Drone music is about as far away from music as you can get before it stops being music (depending on your definition of music, obviously). Contrary to popular belief (or what would be popular belief if more of the population knew about it), it is not one note played continuously for two hours. The music shifts, bends, like a drop of ink in a pool of water, but without fading away. There are many, many sounds made by the violin and viola, but no sound ever becomes distinct enough to emerge from the bubbling pool. A vibrating, grainy violin tone appears without a whisper and disappears just as inconspicuously. A sound like bagpipes, or a fly, or a space ship passing over head, rears up from the murky depths.

The depths are murky. This music is primordial, infinitely deep and sludgy, but without the hugely low bass sounds that many modern bands resort to if they want to sound sludgy. Stoner-rock this ain’t. Rather, it’s something simpler even than the intestinal-disfunction inducing noises of, say, Sun 0))). It induces basic fear, the rush of adrenaline; The pleasure and terror in equal amounts.

In the beginning, there was the word, and the word was oooooommmmmmm. God was, apparently, a drone music pioneer, and there is something religious about this music... or rather, something spiritual. It has been made by beings from the other side, beautiful and haunting, but they hide behind it’s thick mass, revealing themselves neither as angels nor devils. They come bearing gifts, or maybe they’re weapons, and invite you in, or are they taking you prisoner? You’ll never know.

This isn’t to many people’s liking, more so than most of my music, and that’s saying something. Hell, my mum doesn’t even like it and she’s got bucketloads of experimental composer’s work: Charles Ives, a whole big mess of prepared piano pieces, and that crazy guy in Mexico who makes music so fast he had to get one of those pianos that plays itself in order to make it. She doesn’t like this. Not because the Syndicate’s half-hour drone is overly experimental. Far from it, I’d say it’s less so than a lot of the music she’s got tucked away in her vinyl box. But this scares people. It’s not thinker’s music. Think about this too much and you’ll end up thoroughly mystified and quite damaged. Somehow, this is rock music. I don’t know how, but it is. Maybe it’s John Cale’s influence, but whatever it is, I’m pretty sure fans of Godspeed You Black Emperor! or Hawkwind will enjoy this little record.
This is music to swallow you up. Step into the primordial pool, and be enveloped.

Cantankerous 08.08.2006 12:39 PM


 


also not strictly noise. but it's close.

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
So you get to say something fits into the genre but I don't?

Hmmpphh...

But it is noise and i've upped stuff by that guy on here before.

gmku 08.08.2006 12:40 PM

Wait a minute. The Dream Syndicate was from the 1980s.

I don't get it. See, I told you this is hard.

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cantankerous


 


also not strictly noise. but it's close.

that's totally not noise

gmku 08.08.2006 12:42 PM

VU and Nico is not strictly noise. Far from it, in fact. Nevertheless...

:)

porkmarras 08.08.2006 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmku
Wait a minute. The Dream Syndicate was from the 1980s.

I don't get it. See, I told you this is hard.

The original Dream Syndicate were from the sixties in fact.

gmku 08.08.2006 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
that's totally not noise


It is very noisy.

Savage Clone 08.08.2006 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dazedcola
they only seem that way if you've only listened to one or two of their songs. The band uses this instrument called the echoplex that just creates pure white distortion. COF use the instrument alot in the music they even have sections of song where its just a distortion solo playing with the frequency of it. Check out "whiskey river" to see what i mean



The Echoplex is not an instrument that produces white noise. It is an ECHO UNIT that uses magnetic tape to make a delay loop of whatever sound is fed into it. CoF use this on the whole mix, and as such, being manipulated live by one of the band members, it is an instrument of sorts. The tape length can be varied at will to make shorter or longer delay loops, and it can be used as an instrument, but to be clear, it makes no sound on its own. It requires a sound source to be fed into it to work. It does not generate "pure white noise" at all.



And CoF are a rock band. A rock band that totally rules.


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