No, but I believe in mental illness.

for the win!

 

the FUTURIST
DARWIN DRIVE 11
GHOSTCITY

ya know....last night I had a dream where I was in a haunted building...

what, of course there's santa claus & the tooth fairy

No. I don't think it would make any difference if I did.

yes, i've seen plenty of ghosts

All I know is that the few corpses I've seen in real life (both of them grandparents, as I've been lucky enough not to lose any close friends) don't look like the people I knew. They looked like pictures or statues of them.

The Laws of Conservation of Matter and Conservation of Energy tell us that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, so doesn't it stand to reason that life force should be no different?

That is only true in an "isolated system". Unfortunately humans do not exist within an isolated system and thus our energy does indeed die completely.

No. Sorry, this just seems silly to me.

Exactly. And dead bodies ''exist'' within a context of memory and imagination, which can pretty much resurrect them whenever anxiety takes hold of a living being.

1) is "life force" a physical "thing", subject to dimensional analysis, and therefore subject to the laws of conservation of matter and energy? force = mass x acceleration. what mass? what acceleration?

2) the matter and electrochemical energy of a dead body cannot be created or destroyed, but can be transformed.

3) how is it transformed? the 2nd law of thermodynamics tells us basically that everything turns to shit. or "no process is possible whose sole result is the absorption of heat from a reservoir and the conversion of this heat into work." meaning energy from your precious cells dissipates as heat as you rot. sorry brother, but the sooner you eat this truth the faster you'll digest it and profit from it. life is short, and corpses fart a lot. then again if you are eaten (not in a sex way), your calories prolong the life of another future-rotting entity. & so on & so forth.

You are all free believe what you want of course, but to me there's far more evidence for the existance of ghosts/souls than against it. You're not going to convince me otherwise, and nothing I can say will probably convince those of you who are skeptical to believe in them, so in this case we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

I find the idea of no afterlife far more depowering than the idea that there is an afterlife, but it's only good if you follow a certain doctrine.

0% evidence unless you are the first person in history to present some. Please do! If not....

IT IS JUST YR HOT AIR!

Which are not isolated systems. Energy death!

How come often times when people see ghosts, they are fully clothed? Does our clothing have an afterlife as well?

I really hope I die in my favorite pair of Levi's.

interestingly brooker wrote about this on the weekend.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-rad...er-screen-burn

I hate to break this to you like this, bluntly, in the middle of a TV review column – ghosts don't exist. Nonetheless, many people insist on believing in them anyway. These citizens are beyond help. Ask if they believe in Scooby-Doo too, and they'll accuse you of sarcasm, even though he was at least based on something with some grounding in honest reality – ie the animal known as a "dog" – unlike the spooks and ghoulies that chased him and Shaggy around, which inevitably turned out to be local gas station attendants wearing costumes to scare people away from the gold they'd discovered.Anyhow. Since ghosts don't exist, you're guaranteed to never see a ghost in an episode of Ghosthunting, no matter how hard they hunt for one. They might as well film themselves searching for Smurf eggs or trying to jump over the moon. But they don't. They just stand around breathing. For two hours.

Do you have any proof of the nonexistance of ghosts?

Good point....

But, to say that there is more evidence that ghost exist than do not is far fetched. Still, I credit you for saying "to me"....

Most people, the vast majority of people, never experience seeing a ghost in their lifetime. Thus far, absolutely no one who has claimed to have seen one has offered anything in the way of indisputable proof. Some blurry photos and spine tingling tales mean absolutely nothing. Weird sounds recorded on a hand held tape machine mean nothing either.

They are like UFOs or God or anything else.

Do you have any proof of the nonexistence of the invisible, pink, omnipresent elephant living in my refrigerator?

If not... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso...urden_of_proof

science has been wrong too many times throughout history.
science does not know/explain everything.
science is only starting.
ghosts are real in one way or another - one can only begin to speculate.
BUT, there are many other more important things for science to focus on right now.
besides, there are too many sciences. Some study what they call paranormal, and offer pretty reasonable explanations for quite a lot of things but we're talking mainstream academic/corporate science here, there's no reason to alarm all people.
it's all too human like it's always been to dismiss everything that cannot be understood (earth is flat/masturbation causes madness/egg is bad for you/no, egg is good for you, etc.)

you call it soul or electricity but it doesn't matter.
it is what it is.
also, it does not imply in any idea of afterlife necessarily.
of course, that would also imply in accepting the idea of chronological time.
but uuuh the loonies can't be challenging us.

Would you like to be the first person on the planet to present objective information about the existence of ghosts? I'm not holding my breath...

I wouldn't be the first, but no.

wow, you are really full of shit.
there has never been one iota of objective evidence to prove that ghosts exist.

this is fucking retarded. are people really this stupid? next you will tell me unicorns exist.

it'd be completely pointless, wouldn't it? especially considering i don't care.
so, now, you do not fucking talk to me like that - i'm not one of your pals.
and i do not appreciate it.

No, it would not be fucking pointless. Such evidence does not exist or there wouldn't even be a discussion, would there? Present some objective evidence that proves the existence of ghosts or shut the fuck up. It really is that simple.

Like I said: I don't care what you think.
And if you carry on showing me this much respect, I'm gonna care even less.

Good job sidestepping. Just as I expected... your mouth writing checks your ass can't cash.
RESPECT? You don't respect the truth, why the fuck should you deserve any yourself?





No, not unless you are the first person in human history to present any kind of objective information about their existence. Otherwise you are just another whiner with a very poor grasp of the world around them (I'm guessing you are pretty young). Just to make sure I want you to know that leprechauns and dragons are also "not real".

Thank heavens science doesn't waste much time on bullshit such as ghosts.

^Sorry, but you're wrong--Google 'spectrology'

I said "much"...you're wrong.

+ pseudoscience only barely qualifies as science. Really, it serves virtually no purpose.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ann ashtray again.

there are countless things that were seen as lower-forms-of-science. Countless things that no one had evidence of or would believe 100 years ago, that we now accept as FACTS. A lot of people seem to struggle with the idea that we don't know much about anything and there's a lot to discover.
I am comfortable with uncertainties and I can say "I don't know". I could be wrong, you could be wrong.
In order to even ask "do ghosts exist?" you'd have to define what ghosts are, and you'd be so lost there the discussion wouldn't go on.
There are serious scientists working on this, but it all gets blurred because people start adding "spiritual" things to it.
The facts that people DO see ghosts does not mean there is afterlife or that the dead people aren't dead. Like I said, in order to believe in an afterlife you'd have to believe in chronological time. Past, present and future are just concepts.
INSANE FUCKING HIPPIE.
And since I AM NOT pretty young, I'll be ignoring anyone who isn't capable of having a debate without taking things personally.

my advice... lay off whatever drugs you are on for a while. haha

seriously though, that is a scary grasp of reality for someone who claims to be an adult.

Whoa there... Look, you can believe in whatever you want, it really doesn't bother me, but saying, "Well, prove to me that ghosts DON'T exist!" is not a defensible position. You can't really prove a negative. In fact, that's pretty much the foundation of our entire criminal court system. Murder trials don't lay the burden of proof at the feet of the defense. This statement is never made to the defendant, "Well... prove to us all that you DIDN'T kill those people!" Ya know? So you might as well be asking, "Do you have any proof that God DOESN'T exist?" or even, "Well, can you prove that a flying spaghetti monster DIDN'T create the whole universe???" No. No I can't.


EDIT: Sorry, Hevusa beat me to this point!

The burden of proof is on the individual claiming to have a sportscar in their garage - they must present evidence in favor of their claim
(From wikipedia)

why is it with all the technology we have at our disposal and the likes of shows (in the uk at least) of ghosthunters has no one any evidence of the existence of ghosts? you'd think that someone somewhere would have got some decent evidence of them right? but it seems that most 'sightings' happen when people are alone and they never seem to get to the camera in time.

exactly. same thing with religion and "miracles". No one can ever seem to capture one happening.

because shit just happens yo