eh?

As much as I respect you, that is not the simple. I don't wanna sound all Glice and make an intellectual post no one can understand but... (I can't, even).

Sometimes I can't even be bothered. My dear friend is right, it's a symptom of the world and not the board. But when I come to a Sonic Youth board rather than spending my time on celebrity gossip or youtube commenting, it's simply because I have enough of that world. I want a break. I wanna read something from people who I'd assume wouldn't be that predictable and just spit out images of mass culture.

There is a very strange paradox about Sonic Youth fans doing that, but I'm not even gonna get into that.

It's the world, I gotta live in it already. So it's a great thing that you won't insult or belittle a woman when you are talking to her, but does it ever occur to you that despite that anyone can do things that ulltimately insult and belittle ALL of them? Or even worse, with the 'excuse' that that it is actually admiration? If that is what 'worship' is, worship is no good. It doesn't make up for the lack of respect. In fact it's just a disguise to carry on with it.

So, if you are a perfect gentlemen, wouldn't you be more worried in finding out what women truly feel? I'm not the first one to say something, am I? Yet many would disregard it, we're just being 'foolish'. What would a woman know about what a woman feels after all?????

It's not really my business. But the sad thing is, I think you're a great guy and I'm sure you can say interesting things but I've actually considered putting you on ignore just so I am not bombarded with sexist images in any given random thread on Sonic Youth. I'd really appreciate it if you can keep that within the 'women photos' threads you already have there, I wouldn't even read them.

And then the insults will come. Because a woman being serious is not sexy. It's all worthless but... you know, I'm sure many other people on the board might feel the same way but not bother saying it (specially women). Thought that maybe you'd like to know.

knox. You are right. This is one of the few corners of the intermetanetwebs that actuaslly holds my interest, because I LOVE sonic youth and because the people that love sonic youth are all in their own great way very interesting people. they are not the typical one dimensional goddamn sheep that populate the world, or seem to.

I can completely understand where you are coming from knox. Consider your point well taken, and I will give some thought before I post stupid crap in inappropriate places.

licentiousness has it's place like all things, and so does good honest discourse.

the internet = serious.
women = serious.
women = the internet [??????]

I totally disagree. All women deserve respect. Just because you've chosen a job or lifestyle that some people feel is unsavory doesn't mean you don't demand respect.

I had a stripper friend that told me this story. She decided to stop stripping and went to sign up for food stamps or some other public assistance. I don't remember the particulars but THAT experience made her feel degraded and humiliated--as stripping never did.

And you believed it? (sucker)

Well, I'll tell you what, strip clubs in AK are much different than around here (NJ). And yeah, for the most part, the girls are treated with respect. (You don't want to annoy a dancer at the Bush Co., If you annoy a dancer, you annoy a bouncer and you really don't want that.)

And yes, I can say that beauracratic institutions can be lacking in that regard.

she had to fool herself silly...
and she got you too in the process it seems. ;)

Why is it that when women say stupid shit about men they're being 'feminists,' but when men say stupid shit about women they're being 'misogynists'?

Also, why is it that women piss sitting down and men piss standing up? You broads too lazy to piss upright?

I think that a lot of male disrespect for women comes from having to begrudgingly treat one another as equals. You have something we want, yet we've agreed not to just take it from you even though we physically can. And you Lord it over us.

Also, we'll never forgive you for taking that god damn apple from that god damn snake.

i almost always piss on the street, however if i'm feeling classy enough for a toilet i will sit down

See, you've got no airs about taking a leak. So as a lady that makes you a bro. And I can respect a ladybro.

so when I repped you, I was trying to type "you da maaannn!" but my wife's stupid laptop is touchy touchy and it came out "you da ma"

what is the universe trying to tell us??

HEY STUPID WOMEN.

SHUT IT.

thank you.

I personally would be extremely flattered if various women treated me as a mere sex object. Objectify me, please.




Does this mean I get to simultaneously nail you and knox? I don't understand.

I like women, and they love me. Period.

We will never shut up. I'm not eve addresing strippers just year average evryday sluts

I still don't get it x2.

not to be annoying or anything
but your comment was the most sexist one in the thread.
and that doesn't even surprise me.

I know! strippers nd sluts aren't hard to put a cork in like.

I am misunderstood but I still love u. I more directly speaking of those that expose themselves and give it out but expect to be treated like a lady. 1hen you tell men that is who you are they don't respect u. Learned this from experience. On the bllackberry and it's time to go home out of the sun now. So catcha later:)

nope
and
yep

If I do it to you, will you do it back? :o


Yup.

Oh, you'll see...
Hopefully, you like gimp masks.

Oh god yes.

Just sayin.

I don’t view women on boards. But I look at the pictures, and sometimes I enjoy and sometimes I feel shame for others.

nope. i view women on this board as i do in reality and other places. i dont have a problem with my women viewing and to date they dont have a problem with me. ive been married for 11 years to a girl i met 19 years ago so suppose im doing ok.

I'm surprised there's not more 'yes, of course'.

I joined a feminist reading group recently. It's surprising the depth and breadth of things I now have to feel guilty about.

I think it's a difficult subject. I really think 'oh, but I adore women' is a fantastically weak argument; lesserly, putting feminine considerations at the centre of your ethical world is also weak. Essentially, I'm not interested in explaining to most of y'all. Where's notyourfiend though? She was great at this sort of thing, without being all angry and shouty (also, her fanzine was amazing).

I guess you're trying to say I am angry and shouty?

Hope those feminists make you feel really bad next time.

You want to improve your intellect that way?

I guess my momma just raised me right.

thankfully, I do not require any feminist retraining camps (like glice obviously does).

Have you ever been to a reading group? No-one ever improves their intellect by them. They're just a laugh, and it's nice to meet people who are actively engaged with the subject.

No. But I blame the phallocentric cockocracy for making you think I was trying to oppress your wymynhood with my penis.

well that's a shame.
I've tried to be agressive and shouty.
Your penis hasn't been opressing the right things.

Is it wrong that I got a little twinge when I read that?

no, it's a good sign.

It's fucked up that feminists would treat the male sexual organ as a free thinking seperate entity.

i wrote a spoken word piece about this last year; i am going to share it.


I am not a feminist. Although, I am female... and I am pissed. Girls these days more concerned with looking sexy than pregnancy, STDs, divinity, and virginity; and when I say virginity I mean holding on to it because it seems like losing it is every 14 year olds fantasy. 16 and taking speed at some 20 year olds house party and these girls, your little sister, your daughter, your neice are like, "how does my ass look in these pants?" "how does it look when i do this dance?" and "omigawd, do i have that boy in a sexually fueled testasterone trance?" is that really your idea of romance? because these guys.. these boys you think are men.. do want to sleep with you... and all of your friends, and all of their friends and if you let them they'll go through the cycle again; 'cause your 14 year old legs that open wide and your under developed back that freely bends is yelling, "I AM A GIRL; AND NOT YET A WOMAN. PLEASE VALIDATE THAT I'M A PERFECT 10 WHILE YOU PENETRATE AND BREAK ME OPEN." didn't your mother or aunts teach you better? weren't you given strong women role models at your school or community center? don't you know that love is not ravenous it is tender? were you thinking about that or apple bottom jeans and boots with the fur and how you'd look grinding two boys your hip the centER of attention... bumping and grinding is NOT affection and hard dicks on your thighs is only primitive attraction the reaction to the traction of his fingers on your panties. please girl please use rational thought. i'm so worried about you my stomachs in a knot. you're the reason susan b. anthony fought in 1869 it was for YOU, YOUR MOTHER, YOUR GRANDMOTHER, AND MINE. for every woman that as beaten, raped, or somehow abused over time... you are worth more than short skirts and stilletos, make up and panty hose. wearing all that is fine but do it for yourself. not. some. guy. I am not a feminist; I am a female explaining to her little sisters that losing your virginity now to someone who is only going to use you will make you bitter and maybe just enough you'll end up on a stage with a mic feeling like a hypocrite in a ranting slur. what i mean to say is: take care of yourself. you're worth the world girl.


--
no one steal it; it's already been published, bitches.

that poem is the most sincerest thought i have on women in society. and it's not even so much women, it's little girls that want to be women instead of little girls. that's the real epidemic. what we are allowing our tween population of young ladies learn about men and high school boys in almost all forms of media.

I am a 19 year old girl. I'm old enough to know that it's also my responsibilty to find someone that will treat me with respect, and not compromise myself for a boyfriend if he makes me feel uncomfortable or wants me to do something I don't want to do. Little girls on the other hand are easily manipulated and need to be taught at a young age to say, "I'M FUCKING AWESOME AND YOU NEED TO WORK TO GET INTO MY PANTS (AS SOON AS I'M OF AGE, OF COURSE.)"

That's just teasing.

i know youre just being funny but it sincerely pisses me off when guys call that being a tease.

i'm not a tease; you're just fucking lazy.

I feel like some kind of strap-on funnel can be created for this very purpose.