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porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tokolosh
Wow! Gotta get that. Is it any good Pookie?




Those are great choices pork. I filmed a few times for some of the guys from the Anticon label. Made two vids for Alias and Boom Bip in the Milkyway A'dam a year ago. Gonna put them on our site soon. Speeking of alternative Hip Hop, ya must know Buck 65 and Sage Francis?

Here's a link to El-p's Deep space 9mm vid. It's got such a simple concept and it kicks ass. You can also find the vid on the Fantastic Damage cd as an extra.
Check it out here.

I should have really said that i'm really into both Definitive Jux and Anticon as record labels.The quality is generally really high for both.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Toilet & Bowels
i wouldn't mind getting my hands on that alec empire vs elvis presley record, it's not that easy to come by though. i've got field manual by bomb 20 and it's good but too long. i think cobra killer is probably my favourite DHR thing these days.
anyway, i like pole3 the most, then 2, then 1.

Sometimes i wonder if you make this stuff up.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:30 AM

By the way,yes i know both Buck 65 and Sage Francis.

Pookie 08.22.2006 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokolosh
Wow! Gotta get that. Is it any good Pookie?






It's one of my favourite records at the moment. It's one of the few records of its type (glitchy electronica) that is varied enough and good enough to keep you hooked all the way through. And the guest artists all make complete sense, particularly Lydia Lunch & the fantastic Terry Edwards track - the best thing I've ever heard by him.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:36 AM

spookie and Tokolosh,i assume that you like stuff like matmos and lamm_o then?

Pookie 08.22.2006 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
I should have really said that i'm really into both Definitive Jux and Anticon as record labels.The quality is generally really high for both.


There's been some anti-Anticon threads on here so I presumed I was in a small minority liking it (probably am). I love most of the stuff I've heard, particularly Clouddead and Themselves.

Buck 65 has become a bit uncool to like it seems but Talkin' Honky Blues is one of the best albums of the last 10 years in my view.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:38 AM

Anti-Anticon threads on here?When?where are those responsable for them?

Pookie 08.22.2006 04:39 AM

Never heard of lamm_o & have never heard Matmos (not quite sure how that has happened).

Pookie 08.22.2006 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Anti-Anticon threads on here?When?where are those responsable for them?


There was a hip hop thread when I first joined the board and I think Anticon was seen as indie-hip hop or something. I didn't know anybody then, so I don't remember who was responsible. I just thought, Sonic Youth board, "rock" music only.

nicfit 08.22.2006 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Anti-Anticon threads on here?When?where are those responsable for them?

early days of this forum,or maybe on the old one...something like "anticon is fake hip hop for intellectual pussies",and so on.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:44 AM

Well,that wouldn't be far from the truth.The great majority of people on here don't strike as listening to much more than guitar/acoustic instruments-led music and nothing else.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by nicfit
early days of this forum,or maybe on the old one...something like "anticon is fake hip hop for intellectual pussies",and so on.

That'd be Toilet & Bowels then.

Tokolosh 08.22.2006 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pookie
It's one of my favourite records at the moment. It's one of the few records of its type (glitchy electronica) that is varied enough and good enough to keep you hooked all the way through. And the guest artists all make complete sense, particularly Lydia Lunch & the fantastic Terry Edwards track - the best thing I've ever heard by him.


Thanks. I'll get that soon. First gonna get pork's recommended "Jam", which I'm ordering this week.

Pookie 08.22.2006 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nicfit
early days of this forum,or maybe on the old one...something like "anticon is fake hip hop for intellectual pussies",and so on.


I haven't got a problem with that description.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:49 AM

Good call on 'Jam' as something tells me that you'll like the music on there quite a bit(not to say the general madness of it all).

Tokolosh 08.22.2006 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
spookie and Tokolosh,i assume that you like stuff like matmos and lamm_o then?


Never heard of them. Tell me more.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 04:51 AM

Gosh,you MUST have heard of Matmos,i'm pretty sure.They are Bjork's producers as well as very talented musicians(think glitch with a plastic surgery-sampling heart).

Pookie 08.22.2006 04:55 AM

...and amplified bicycle wheel...

 

Tokolosh 08.22.2006 04:56 AM

Ok. I'm reading the wiki page about Matmos from Frisco. Sounds interesting.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 05:00 AM

Definately one to check out.

Pookie 08.22.2006 05:01 AM

Tokolosh, I had to include this review from Amazon of that Uniform record:

"In a word "horrendous". Must admit I bought it by mistake thinking it was the album by the band protocol. Flicked through the tracks in my car thinking I was listening to Aphex Twin re emerged from his post "90's" hibernation (or maybe he is still going, I hated his music too much too care!)White noise is the only way to describe this collection of tuneless, experimental, rubbish. Its the sort of music that only dogs can hear.....which may say a lot about me....worryingly!!"

porkmarras 08.22.2006 05:08 AM

Right,a little bit of name-dropping.Let me know what you think of the following:
Kid 606
LTJ Buckem
Zoviet France
V/VM
Boom Boom Satellite(just kidding,they are mostly shite)
Mira Calix
Kaffe Matthews
Herbert

sonicl 08.22.2006 05:09 AM

A rather kinder review.

Uniform - "Protocol"

From 'The Wire' issue #266

2nd Gen's Wajid Yaseen follows up "Not A Word", his 2003 Uniform debut, with a more focused and assured collection of dark electronic half-songs. "Protocol" sees him abandoning beats altogether for abrasive drones and brittle atmospheres. But, thankfully, he avoids the sulphurous murk of his Dark Ambient peers. Whereas its predecessor sounded thin and unfinished, Yaseen's tracks here serve as perfect backdrops to an impressive array of guest performances. Lydia Lunch's wry self-parody and Dalek's grand guignol macho posturing raise smiles and send shivers simultaneously.

Germseed's Alice Kemp provides material of unspeakable depravity for two monologues that can't help but suggest the Throbbing Gristle of "Hamburger Lady".

Alan Vega sounds more swaggeringly committed than at any time since the second Suicide album, certainly far more at home than he did with Pan Sonic. And Terry Edwards takes flight on sax on "The Symbolist", in a performance of genuine fury that recalls and surpasses the screaming clarinet workouts of Richard H Kirk with early Cabaret Voltaire.

Tokolosh 08.22.2006 05:11 AM

Hmmmm.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 05:11 AM

Hang on a sec,did you mention 2nd Gen?i've upped some of his music a while ago.

nicfit 08.22.2006 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Herbert

as in "matthew herbert"?
bodily functions.
ltj i've only a no-name record burned,nice for a while but a bit boring.
i love the new self titled by Burial,great sounds.
i must say that most of the music i listen to (both eletronic and rock) has something to do with my idea of sound.if i like the sound of a record,no matter who did it or what musi genre it embraces,i usually love it.that's why i love paik,devics,toxic by miss spears,etc.etc. i'm going off topic,i'll open a topic about new paik's dvd to ask if it's good coz here in itlay i can't find it,but if it's good i'll happily order it.well,i asked here,so why open a new topic...i'll think about it again in a few minutes.sorry,my brain works in multitasking this morning.

Pookie 08.22.2006 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by porkmarras
Right,a little bit of name-dropping.Let me know what you think of the following:
Kid 606 Like lots - I was listening to Who Still Kill Sound only last night.
LTJ Buckem Haven't heard
Zoviet France Don't know
V/VM Only heard the Help Aphex thing - thought it was bit samey
Boom Boom Satellite(just kidding,they are mostly shite)
Mira Calix - Love, particularly 3 Commissions
Kaffe Matthews - Haven't heard but always sounds interesting in interviews
Herbert - Like but have never bought anything.


...

Tokolosh 08.22.2006 05:19 AM

Do any of you guys know the African Dope Label.

Bands like:
Krushed and Sorted
Godessa
Kalahari Surfers
Felix Laband
The Constructus Corporation
MoodPhase5
and my fav, The Real Estate Agents

Best label to come out of South Africa, like ever.
Krushed and Sorted have had some gigs in the UK in recent years.

African Dope Records

Dope Dealer in the UK

Pookie 08.22.2006 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonicl
A rather kinder review.

Uniform - "Protocol"

From 'The Wire' issue #266

2nd Gen's Wajid Yaseen follows up "Not A Word", his 2003 Uniform debut, with a more focused and assured collection of dark electronic half-songs. "Protocol" sees him abandoning beats altogether for abrasive drones and brittle atmospheres. But, thankfully, he avoids the sulphurous murk of his Dark Ambient peers. Whereas its predecessor sounded thin and unfinished, Yaseen's tracks here serve as perfect backdrops to an impressive array of guest performances. Lydia Lunch's wry self-parody and Dalek's grand guignol macho posturing raise smiles and send shivers simultaneously.

Germseed's Alice Kemp provides material of unspeakable depravity for two monologues that can't help but suggest the Throbbing Gristle of "Hamburger Lady".

Alan Vega sounds more swaggeringly committed than at any time since the second Suicide album, certainly far more at home than he did with Pan Sonic. And Terry Edwards takes flight on sax on "The Symbolist", in a performance of genuine fury that recalls and surpasses the screaming clarinet workouts of Richard H Kirk with early Cabaret Voltaire.


That's what I said.;)

Tokolosh 08.22.2006 05:29 AM

 

The Real Estate Agents

For those not up to date on the cutting edge of South African originality, The Real Estate Agents is the dynamic pairing of lab kids on distortion Sibot and Markus Wormstorm. These two unstable sonic scientists with a fetish for low-fi audio-visual property values (who are also the brains and beats behind that other fine experiment called The Constructus Corporation, but that?s a different biography all together) have both made deeply distinct impressions on the leftfield music scenes both on home soil and abroad, where their disdain for conventional DJ or production laws has led them to be much hailed and critically acclaimed by the electronic music cognoscenti.
The mergence of the two mix maestros on The Real Estate Agents project has got to be one of the most exiting things to happen in the past decade for organic electronic music this side left of the mainstream.

 

alyasa 08.22.2006 05:29 AM

LTJ Bukem is pure techno, i think, 90s techno, in the vein of leftfield. Zoviet France, i've only heard a few tracks, but from what i've heard, it sounds promising... Very textured noise layered over glitchy electronic beats.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokolosh
Do any of you guys know the African Dope Label.

Bands like:
Krushed and Sorted
Godessa
Kalahari Surfers
Felix Laband
The Constructus Corporation
MoodPhase5
and my fav, The Real Estate Agents

Best label to come out of South Africa, like ever.
Krushed and Sorted have had some gigs in the UK in recent years.

African Dope Records

Dope Dealer in the UK

The Real Estate Agents is the only name that i've heard out of this lot.Never heard of the record label either.Anyone likes Murcof?I've only got one record of his and i like to listen to it at bedtime, sometimes.Tokolosh,have you ever heard of a dutch compilation called 'Fastidiots?'.

Tokolosh 08.22.2006 05:35 AM

Never heard of them.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 05:41 AM

Hard to google it.It's a compilation of bands on a late 70s/early 80s record label that i've had for a few years and has some rather odd stuff on it.Once i'm properly settled in my new home i'll get it out and pass on more info.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokolosh
 

The Real Estate Agents

For those not up to date on the cutting edge of South African originality, The Real Estate Agents is the dynamic pairing of lab kids on distortion Sibot and Markus Wormstorm. These two unstable sonic scientists with a fetish for low-fi audio-visual property values (who are also the brains and beats behind that other fine experiment called The Constructus Corporation, but that?s a different biography all together) have both made deeply distinct impressions on the leftfield music scenes both on home soil and abroad, where their disdain for conventional DJ or production laws has led them to be much hailed and critically acclaimed by the electronic music cognoscenti.
The mergence of the two mix maestros on The Real Estate Agents project has got to be one of the most exiting things to happen in the past decade for organic electronic music this side left of the mainstream.



 

Sounds like something that i have the time for.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicfit
as in "matthew herbert"?
bodily functions.
ltj i've only a no-name record burned,nice for a while but a bit boring.
i love the new self titled by Burial,great sounds.
i must say that most of the music i listen to (both eletronic and rock) has something to do with my idea of sound.if i like the sound of a record,no matter who did it or what musi genre it embraces,i usually love it.that's why i love paik,devics,toxic by miss spears,etc.etc. i'm going off topic,i'll open a topic about new paik's dvd to ask if it's good coz here in itlay i can't find it,but if it's good i'll happily order it.well,i asked here,so why open a new topic...i'll think about it again in a few minutes.sorry,my brain works in multitasking this morning.

Yep,Matthew Herbert.

Pookie 08.22.2006 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porkmarras
The Real Estate Agents is the only name that i've heard out of this lot.Never heard of the record label either.Anyone likes Murcof?I've only got one record of his and i like to listen to it at bedtime, sometimes.Tokolosh,have you ever heard of a dutch compilation called 'Fastidiots?'.


I've only heard the Murcof tracks on the Leaf sampler, Lost For Words, but I like them a lot.

More names:

Asa-Chang & Junray
Susumu Yokoto
Nobukazu Takemura
Blectum From Blechdom/Kevin Blechdom/Blevin Blectum/Sagan etc.
Jimi Tenor

porkmarras 08.22.2006 05:52 AM

Spookie,i bet that you are another one like me who buys all those leaf samplers.There is exactly where i've first heard the music of Murcof as well as that of Susumu Yokota(top musician).All the rest are artists that i respect and good old Jimi Tenor could belt out those sexy techno-pop tunes early on in his career like no other(love the orchestral turn he then went on to take a bit later in his career).

Pookie 08.22.2006 05:56 AM

I only bought one Leaf sampler, I didn't know there were more.

Jamie Lidell is similar to Jimi Tenor, but hasn't really made a great record - the closest he's come is with Super-Collider. Live, he just blew me away. He has the most incredible voice.

porkmarras 08.22.2006 06:05 AM

I shall not forget the great Future Pilot A.K.A.His 'Departure/Arrivals' is one of my favourite records of the 90s(the one where he collaborates with Scanner,Bill Wells Trio,Alan Vega and Revolutionary Corps Of Teenage Jesus,Kim Fowley,etc etc).Most labels(even the most obscure of them) have regular samplers put out periodically to promote the artists in their staples.They are fairly easy to find (in Laaaannddooonnn anyway) and i love them because,even more than mags etc,i've found out about loads of good music as well as bad on them.


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