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E. Noisefield 02.16.2012 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
Understood. Why do you bother worrying if some people think it is a SY documentary then? I am just trying to work out what goes through that mind of yours.



Dissociative Internet Idendity Disorder?

E. Noisefield 02.16.2012 08:11 PM

But you have a point. Why would you even say that? It's clear from my phrasing that not only do I know it's not a doc, but that I've seen it. I said so.

I understand the compulsion to want to be a snot, believe me, but going so out of your way (and out of the path of logic) to look for an *in* is really not going to help you achieve anything. :)

gmku 02.16.2012 08:12 PM

I think in a way it is a documentary.

Genteel Death 02.16.2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
Dissociative Internet Idendity Disorder?


It's called being a vain cunt round here and there isn't a cure for it that I know of.

Genteel Death 02.16.2012 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
I think in a way it is a documentary.


You are a documentary.

E. Noisefield 02.16.2012 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
It's called being a vain cunt round here and there isn't a cure for it that I know of.



Don't be so hard on yourself.

gmku 02.16.2012 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Genteel Death
You are a documentary.


Really? Go fuck yourself.

the ikara cult 02.16.2012 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gmku
Really? Go fuck yourself.


You cant fuck a documentary, surely? unless you stick your dick in the DVD player but i have a feeling that enterprise is doomed to failure.

gmku 02.16.2012 08:33 PM

Hmm. Don't give me ideas.

the ikara cult 02.16.2012 08:46 PM

Incidentally, the most boring music documentary ever made is the one that came on the bonus DVD to Mr Beast by Mogwai.

And lo, someone has posted it to youtube

Even someone who likes Mogwai cant help but be bored to death.

edit: Im not sure this is the thing that was on the DVD as that was about 45 minutes long, but it was so boring the first time around I cant be bothered to check.

hipster_bebop_junkie 02.16.2012 08:52 PM

There's some Sonic Youth documentaries in addition to "1991: The Year Punk Broke", E. Noisefield. Right off the top of my head I can think of "Sleeping Nights Awake", by Michael Albright, about a concert in Reno, NV, during the "Rather Ripped" tour, with live footage filmed by students from Reno; critics have praised the film, but I haven't seen it so I can't share my own opinion. Would love a DVD release, and been expecting it to be announced every year, only to be disappointed. If you look around a little bit, maybe you will find "Sonic Youth: Innovators In Music", which was broadcast on Canadian TV a couple of years back, contains footage from a show in Kansas during the band's tour in support of "The Eternal" as well as interviews with Lee and Thurston in regards to the band's origin, approach to experimentation, influences (Glenn Branca, Rhys Chatham...), methods of composition, and the longevity of Sonic Youth. If you do find download links in the board, don't get too excited; they should have become useless with the death of Megaupload. It still might be out there somewhere, though. Also, did you forget to mention "Put Blood In The Music"? C'mon, E. Noisefield, don't you tell me you haven't seen that one, man. Another one which I bet you will find on youboob: "20 Years Of Sonic Youth"....

If you are looking for documentaries with participation by members of Sonic Youth, there's a bunch as well. I can mention just a few: "William S. Burroughs: A Man Within", Celine Dahnier's "Blank City" (released on DVD just a few days ago), Luc Peters' "Record Player: Christian Marclay" (available for streaming at ubuweb), Emmon Hassan's "Guitarkadia Presents: Chasing Buster Keaton", Angélique Bosio's "Llik Yr Idols", Olivier Assayas' "Noise: A Film By Olivier Assayas" (including clips of live performances by Text Of Light, and Mirror/Dash among others), "Send And Receive: Ten Years Of Sound", and so on and so forth.... Another one which interests me is Stuart Ginsberg's "Wednesdays at A's-A documentary about Arleen Schloss" even though it's currently on post-production. Keeping in mind that Sonic Youth as a live act pretty much started at A's, I think there might be some nice treats included for Sonic Youth fans as well as for those interested in Arleen Schloss' art, but who knows...

E. Noisefield 02.16.2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hipster_bebop_junkie
There's some Sonic Youth documentaries in addition to "1991: The Year Punk Broke", E. Noisefield. Right off the top of my head I can think of "Sleeping Nights Awake", by Michael Albright, about a concert in Reno, NV, during the "Rather Ripped" tour, with live footage filmed by students from Reno; critics have praised the film, but I haven't seen it so I can share my own opinion. Would love a DVD release, and been expecting it to be announced every year, only to be disappointed. If you look around a little bit, maybe you will find "Sonic Youth: Innovators In Music", which was broadcast on Canadian TV a couple of years back, contains footage from a show in Kansas during the band's tour in support of "The Eternal" as well as interviews with Lee and Thurston in regards to the band's origin, approach to experimentation, influences (Glenn Branca, Rhys Chatham...), methods of composition, and the longevity of Sonic Youth. If you do find download links in the board, don't get too excited; they should have become useless with the death of Megaupload. It still might be out there somewhere, though. Also, did you forget to mention "Put Blood In The Music"? C'mon, E. Noisefield, don't you tell me you haven't seen that one, man. Another one which I bet you will find on youboob: "20 Years Of Sonic Youth"....

If you are looking for documentaries with participation by members of Sonic Youth, there's a bunch as well. I can mention just a few: "William S. Burroughs: A Man Within", Celine Dahnier's "Blank City" (released on DVD just a few days ago), Luc Peters' "Record Player: Christian Marclay" (available for streaming at ubuweb), Emmon Hassan's "Guitarkadia Presents: Chasing Buster Keaton", Angélique Bosio's "Llik Yr Idols", Olivier Assayas' "Noise: A Film By Olivier Assayas" (including clips of live performances by Text Of Light, and Mirror/Dash among others), "Send And Receive: Ten Years Of Sound", and so on and so forth.... Another one which interests me is Stuart Ginsberg's "Wednesdays at A's-A documentary about Arleen Schloss" even though it's currently on post-production. Keeping in mind that Sonic Youth as a live act pretty much started at A's, I think there might be some nice treats included for Sonic Youth fans as well as for those interested in Arlen Schloss' art, but who knows...



Ah, you're right. I did forget Put Blood in! I also think I've seen 20 years of, but I'm not sure, I'll have to look it up. I will look for the others you mentioned. Thanks a ton, hun!

RanaldoNecro 02.16.2012 10:25 PM

I am going to see Sleeping Nights Awake in two weeks


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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
Ah, you're right. I did forget Put Blood in! I also think I've seen 20 years of, but I'm not sure, I'll have to look it up. I will look for the others you mentioned. Thanks a ton, hun!


hipster_bebop_junkie 02.16.2012 11:05 PM

I'm jealous and happy for you at the same time.

the ikara cult 02.17.2012 06:01 AM

Some kind of monster was quite funny, in a laughing at rich rockstars behaving like suburban housewives kind of way.

Genteel Death 02.17.2012 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by gmku
Really? Go fuck yourself.


you're the film of my life, the tv series of my dreams. baby, let's get it on.:)

Genteel Death 02.17.2012 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
Don't be so hard on yourself.


I try, but this emptiness I feel doesn't seem to know limits. :confused:

RanaldoNecro 02.17.2012 07:36 AM

I saw the trailer. I know it was done by high school students but the audio was really bad in 'Do you Believe in Rapture'. There is a serious lack of tone in the guitars.

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Originally Posted by hipster_bebop_junkie
I'm jealous and happy for you at the same time.


keep poppin pimples 02.17.2012 08:39 PM

there is always the classic
 

E. Noisefield 02.18.2012 01:42 AM

Isn't there a fairly well known Manic Street Preachers doc? I'm not a fan of the band, really, but I'm interested in the bizarre story.

Jef Mertens 02.18.2012 02:58 AM

I'm working on this:
http://www.borbetomagusmovie.com/

the ikara cult 02.18.2012 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
Isn't there a fairly well known Manic Street Preachers doc? I'm not a fan of the band, really, but I'm interested in the bizarre story.


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Originally Posted by the ikara cult

Louder Than War about the Manic Street Preachers playing a gig in Cuba is an interesting study on what it means to be a left-leaning rock band who routinely plays stadiums in the early part of the 21st century. Many here won't be fans of them, but I dont think you need to be to find it interesting.

It skips over the obvious ethical issues with being used by the Castro regime as propoganda tools, but there is a definite love for the culture and a regret about its inevitable decline that is touching. They also meet Castro and get all giddy


E. Noisefield 02.18.2012 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the ikara cult
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But is it about Richey's disappearance, or am I just imagining things? I thought there was something about it...

hirsute_biped 02.21.2012 02:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWVHw...ture=endscreen

the ikara cult 02.22.2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
But is it about Richey's disappearance, or am I just imagining things? I thought there was something about it...


Nah thats not the one. the Cuba one was an official band one in 2000 or so.

there was one called "the disappearance of Richey Edwards" or something equally prosaic. Im sure I watched it on youtube before, but its not that interesting unless youre a big fan of Richey's/theirs. The story itself is depressingly straightforward. I saw a feature on the news about him this morning, this time of year is the anniversary of his disappearance i think.

Screaming Skull 02.23.2012 01:15 PM

Here's another one for ya...COLOR ME OBSESSED...a Replacements documentary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfSbPLABCyk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKIls...eature=related

And more...

The video below is from the January 18th, 1986 Saturday Night Live episode. This is the first Replacements performance of the night. They had just finished up the 'Tim' album and Sire got them a spot on SNL. The host that night was Harry Dean Stanton who had roles in Paris, Texas and Repo Man in the past few years and his performance in Pretty in Pink would be released in a few weeks. The Mats look pretty good in this perfomance, but legend has it they hit the champagne pretty hard before the next performance of the night.

http://redredwineonasunday.blogspot....-night_28.html

Enjoy!

E. Noisefield 02.23.2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the ikara cult
Nah thats not the one. the Cuba one was an official band one in 2000 or so.

there was one called "the disappearance of Richey Edwards" or something equally prosaic. Im sure I watched it on youtube before, but its not that interesting unless youre a big fan of Richey's/theirs. The story itself is depressingly straightforward. I saw a feature on the news about him this morning, this time of year is the anniversary of his disappearance i think.


Sometimes I think he disappeared on purpose just to add to the band's legacy, or something.

If he did, I'll bet he was pissed when they proceeded to make shit Elton John pop records with no balls after he left. :p

E. Noisefield 02.23.2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Screaming Skull
Here's another one for ya...COLOR ME OBSESSED...a Replacements documentary...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfSbPLABCyk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKIls...eature=related

And more...

The video below is from the January 18th, 1986 Saturday Night Live episode. This is the first Replacements performance of the night. They had just finished up the 'Tim' album and Sire got them a spot on SNL. The host that night was Harry Dean Stanton who had roles in Paris, Texas and Repo Man in the past few years and his performance in Pretty in Pink would be released in a few weeks. The Mats look pretty good in this perfomance, but legend has it they hit the champagne pretty hard before the next performance of the night.

http://redredwineonasunday.blogspot....-night_28.html

Enjoy!


Oooh! Replacements stuff! Dig it!

Coincidence because I just picked up "All For Nothing" at the library near where I work. I've been a 'Mats fan forever and never listened to it because I had all the albums and I didn't see the point.

It's actually not a bad little listen, though they really deserve a more comprehensive anthology-type thing.

Gotta love the 'Mats and Paul Westerberg's "sexy because it's so sincere" vocals, but I've always thought Tim was monstrously overrated.

Screaming Skull 02.24.2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
Oooh! Replacements stuff! Dig it!

Coincidence because I just picked up "All For Nothing" at the library near where I work. I've been a 'Mats fan forever and never listened to it because I had all the albums and I didn't see the point.

It's actually not a bad little listen, though they really deserve a more comprehensive anthology-type thing.

Gotta love the 'Mats and Paul Westerberg's "sexy because it's so sincere" vocals, but I've always thought Tim was monstrously overrated.


Spend some more time with 'Tim' - seriously. I would rank the Mats' major output as follows:

1A. Let It Be
1B. Tim
3. Hootenanny
4. Pleased To Meet Me
5. Sorry Ma, Forgot To Take Out The Trash
6. All Shook Down
7. Don't Tell A Soul
8. Stink

evollove 02.24.2012 11:36 AM

The cool thing about music docs, I just realized, is you don't really have to be a fan to enjoy the film.

A good story is a good story.

E. Noisefield 02.25.2012 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Screaming Skull
Spend some more time with 'Tim' - seriously. I would rank the Mats' major output as follows:

1A. Let It Be
1B. Tim
3. Hootenanny
4. Pleased To Meet Me
5. Sorry Ma, Forgot To Take Out The Trash
6. All Shook Down
7. Don't Tell A Soul
8. Stink



I've spent only a wee bit less than 2 decades with Tim. :)

I love some of the songs, but others sound like a prelude to the Goo Goo Dolls and Soul Asylum. Tim has great songs, but it's not *the* Mats album. Let it Be is. But I'm more of a Mats-Song fan than a Mats-album fan. I like songs from all of their albums, but there are some albums that, on the whole, are not great.

Still a defining band of my youth. I'm not a hater. Westerberg's solo stuff is hit or miss too, but when it hits, it's jangle-pop bliss

Screaming Skull 02.27.2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
I've spent only a wee bit less than 2 decades with Tim. :)

I like songs from all of their albums, but there are some albums that, on the whole, are not great.


Fair enough. To me, the great 'Mats albums are Let It Be and Tim. The very good 'Mats albums are Hootenanny and Please To Meet Me. The rest are spotty, as you suggest...

E. Noisefield 02.27.2012 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Screaming Skull
Fair enough. To me, the great 'Mats albums are Let It Be and Tim. The very good 'Mats albums are Hootenanny and Please To Meet Me. The rest are spotty, as you suggest...


My favorites are Let it Be and (believe it or not) Pleased to Meet me and Sorry, Ma. I know they lost a whole shit-ton of their edge at the end there, but PTMM has some absolutely top notch pop songs. "Alex Chilton"...

But I have to admit that I sometimes got through phases of thinking the Replacements were don't belong in the category history has placed them. They're remembered alongside Husker Du and the Pixies, but while those bands influenced experimental pop and punk, the Replacements influenced a herd of faceless '90s "alternative pop" bands like Goo Goo Dolls.

But then I come back to my senses and remember that "Seen Your Video" is defiant rock and roll in perfect form. They WERE punk, even if Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20 cite them as influences.

In any case, I'd say every album has its high points, and many have very low points, but they were still a great great band.

I also have been in love with Westerberg solo and Grandpaboy since Singles came out. I'm dating myself here, but it's true. :)

Severian 02.27.2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by E. Noisefield
My favorites are Let it Be and (believe it or not) Pleased to Meet me and Sorry, Ma. I know they lost a whole shit-ton of their edge at the end there, but PTMM has some absolutely top notch pop songs. "Alex Chilton"...

But I have to admit that I sometimes got through phases of thinking the Replacements were don't belong in the category history has placed them. They're remembered alongside Husker Du and the Pixies, but while those bands influenced experimental pop and punk, the Replacements influenced a herd of faceless '90s "alternative pop" bands like Goo Goo Dolls.

But then I come back to my senses and remember that "Seen Your Video" is defiant rock and roll in perfect form. They WERE punk, even if Third Eye Blind and Matchbox 20 cite them as influences.

In any case, I'd say every album has its high points, and many have very low points, but they were still a great great band.

I also have been in love with Westerberg solo and Grandpaboy since Singles came out. I'm dating myself here, but it's true. :)


Westerberg's released some crap in his time, but I totally know what you mean. I was hooked on "Waiting for Somebody" just like everyone else when that movie came out. Now I think the lyrics are of questionable quality, and I believe that movie was more of a mockery of grunge than anything else. A movie that was supposed to reflect the Seattle scene with Smashing Pumpkins and Westerberg songs on the soundtrack?

I do enjoy Paul's Stereo/Mono record, and think that some of the songs on the mono disc are 'Mats worthy. Others are complete sentimental shit, but still, "High Time" sounds like it could be a road-demo from the Tim tour.

terminal pharmacy 03.15.2012 03:55 AM

Autoluminescent. One of the finest music docos i've ever seen. It is about Rowland S howard

hirsute_biped 03.24.2012 05:31 PM

I attended the opening night screening of Last Days Here (Pentagram/Bobby Leibling story) at Cinefamily/Silent Movie Theater last night, Mr. & Mrs. Bobby Leibling in attendance for Q&A w/ filmmakers and audience, along with original Pentagram drummer Geoff O'Keefe coming up from the audience for a reunion. Standing ovation. A really awesome rocknroll redemption story, dude comes back from the brink of death to jump start his career and have a family. Among the very best lost US early/proto metal bands, resurrected. Best music doc I've seen in a while. Go see it if you can.


http://www.cinefamily.org/films/last...-one-week-run/

trailer:

http://youtu.be/RwaYcp2uYLU

themawt71 03.25.2012 06:29 AM

cecil taylor (father of free jazz piano) documentary


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sfiN9tvcbM&ob=av3e


real good. nice and only slightly unsettling getting to see him talk a lot.

chrome noise tape 03.25.2012 05:22 PM

 


i like music documentaries nowdays i'm watching this. very nice, raw, like punk should be.

A Thousand Threads 01.04.2013 06:43 AM

just watched this short documentary on Maher Shalal Hash Baz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TmkK...endscreen&NR=1

well worth it

hipster_bebop_junkie 01.04.2013 06:11 PM

The trailer to "Voice -Sculpting Sound With Maja Ratkje" promises a lot of awesomeness. The project is in need of funds at the moment, though:

http://www.indiegogo.com/voice-themovie


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